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Posted By: Carl
Hi, I'm an infrequent poster to the board, but as a low grade collector of vintage cards, I do have a great deal of interest in this topic. I also hope it is okay to restart the thread - if not I apologize. It appears to me (and I hope you can follow me) that there is a bigger difference between the most beat up PSA 1 and the least beat up PSA 1 then there is between the best looking PSA 1 card and a typical psa 4 or even 5 - for example, I bought the following card a few months ago for a very fair price (hopefully the link will work) |
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Posted By: Josh K.
not a 1, but one of the best looking 3's Ive come across (and no, that is not a spot of paperloss on this card): |
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Posted By: cn
sometimes you have to shake your head when you see a card like this graded a 1 and a creased card a 2 or a 3. |
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Posted By: Anson
Thank you guys, as I really wanted to discuss this topic in the first place. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred
PSA is really tough on those pin holes. The card could have all the attributes of a MT card but the pin hole automatically drops it to a "1". I've seen SGC grade cards as high as a "2" with a pin hole. After seeing some of the cards in the other PSA1 thread it is quite apparent that a grade of "1" has an obviously wide range of aesthetics. |
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Posted By: John Barnes
These arent pre war but they are on topic. |
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Posted By: Keith O'Leary
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Posted By: Steve
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Posted By: Chuck R
I don't generally buy graded cards (or I release them from their tomb when I do buy them), but as someone who works with numbers at work it seems like the problem here is fairly simple. PSA decided to go with a 10 point system and then tried to cram in a grading scheme that has more than 10 levels. PSA 3,4,5 gives you the nuances of VG, VGX and EX. When you get below that, you really need G-VG, G, Fair and Poor to pick up some of these differences....but you've only got two PSA levels left. Seems to me they should have gone to a 12 point scale: Poor, Fair, G, G-VG, VG, VGX, EX, EXMT, NM, NM-MT, MT, Gem MT. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I'd still like see someone use a true 100 point scale breaking the areas into corners, surface, edges, centering and maybe something else. Each area is on a 1-20 scale. Total up the 5 areas for the score. |
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Posted By: Carl
The variation between PSA 1's is exactly why I like the grading system. The weakness gives me a chance to get a good looking card for a good price just because it's graded a 1 - break it out of the holder, and it can stand up nicely to a 3 or 4. Since I buy the card, not the holder, it makes sense to me to look for a good 1 rather than a higher grade card (well a 3 or 4 anyway). Of course, if I had unlimited funds at my disposal, I would prefer to get the nicest looking, highest grade card available, but, alas, I don't - Carl |
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Posted By: Glen V
Don't know how that Schalk card only got a 1. In comparison, I think SCG was a little generous with this one. |
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Posted By: BcD
I have a PSA 1 Washington T-200 team card that is a solid 4 that is unbelievable. They are all over the map on that issue~ |
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Posted By: Jimi
The problem I find with grading is that centering issues count for a whole lot!! I'm looking at some of the cards posted above and am thinking, "man, had some of those had 40/60 centering at least, the grades would be much higher." I never even paid attention to centering until the last couple of years. To me, centering shouldn't deter from the overall grade unless it is a miscut or 0/100. Of course the point in getting that "perfect card" you'd need to get one well centered. I just hate the fact that cards are degraded because of something that happened on the printing press. Someone couldn't cut straight. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
In response to the comment above, the schalk is definitely a 1 - their is creasing throughout the bottom half of the card (look below the waist and you will see numerous faint lines - all creases that are not very apparent even when holding the card in your hand). Also some paperloss on the reverse. I just posted it as an example of a nice looking 1. |
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Posted By: The TruthTeller
I believe that grading is so subjective that you can have a "1" that looks as good as a 3 or 4 if the flaws are not as readily visible. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
lumping poor and fair together. To me, Poor is basically the equivalent of authenticating the item while Fair means very worn but not destroyed. |
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