Saco River Auctions

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Not worth it in my opinion.

I posted this in the Saco thread but will delete it and here it is.....

So here is the deal. As many on the board know I have been on vacation this week.. I was in DC and am heading back to Texas. I drove 12 hours with my family today and will drive another 12 hours to get back tomorrow. I am in a hotel as I write this right now, half way home in Lebanon TN.

I have sent Troy repeated invoices for his (2) $200 payments he owed. He had not paid them. I called his office. His secretary answered and I asked for him. She asked who is it, I said my name. She said hold on a minute, came back and said he isn't in. A total screen out.....(I have been in sales for 25 yrs, I get it). I left my name and he never called back. I turn on my computer tonight and I have 6 PMs from the idiots fighting. I look at the front page and see the Saco thread.....I get pissed. I posted my thread about them being deadbeat payers. Then I look at my 40'ish emails I got today and one was from Troy saying he paid and wants his banner back up. I dunno....
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[Exhibitman]

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Life is too short to do business with irresponsible a-holes. The few times I've had to kick a client to the curb for not paying my bills it has been completely worth it.

[bobbyw8469]

I hope you had a good vacation Leon. Did you checkout the Smithsonian?

[Texxxx]

He paid just to put up the post. I bet he want pay again until he needs to post again. I say don't let it get that far.
Life's to short to have to put up with those type of people.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

He paid just to put up the post. I bet he want pay again until he needs to post again. I say don't let it get that far.
Life's to short to have to put up with those type of people.

I hear ya Texxxx.....and I want to be careful to be extremely correct in what I say concerning this....here is the chronological order...

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May 5 2014 - sent Paypal invoice for $200 - due on receipt (never paid) and history of it

Date and Time Invoice history

May 5, 2014 9:07 AM Invoice created
May 5, 2014 9:07 AM Invoice sent
May 27, 2014 9:20 AM Reminder sent
June 4, 2014 8:46 AM Reminder sent
June 6, 2014 10:50 AM Reminder sent


June 4 2014 - sent Paypal invoice for $200 Due on receipt (paid) ...I thought great maybe he just missed the May one...

July 2 2014 Sent paypal invoice for $400 due on receipt (included the May invoice and I said so on the invoice) see below

Date and Time Invoice history

July 2, 2014 12:45 PM Invoice created
July 2, 2014 12:45 PM Invoice sent
July 10, 2014 11:27 AM Reminder sent
July 25, 2014 8:21 AM Invoice paid by recipient with PayPal ($400)


I sent this email after no response to the July paypal invoice-


From: leon luckey [mailto:leonl@flash.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:38 PM
To: 'Saco River Auction Company'
Subject: RE: New Account

Hey Troy
Hope all is well for you today. I left a message with your secretary too. I am writing concerning your banner ad on Net54baseball. I seem to be not getting a response from the email invoices I have sent. I am easy. If there is an issue let me know. If you prefer not to advertise anymore, no worries, just let me know. I hope you will continue and think it’s a great value but if it isn’t helping I understand. I won’t even charge you for what is owed but just let me know and I will help any way I can.
Thanks
leon


Then I saw the thread Troy started, this evening. Nothing in between....

[wonkaticket]

Guy should have paid, and not avoided you I agree. However just a thought....playing devils advocate.

How about taking down his ad, locking his log in until he pays quietly behind the scenes. The public tar and feather seems over the top Leon.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Guy should have paid, and not avoided you I agree. However just a thought....playing devils advocate.

How about taking down his ad, locking his log in until he pays quietly behind the scenes. The public tar and feather seems over the top Leon.

Cheers,

John

I don't think it's over the top John. I think it took some audacity for him to post the thread after all of my repeated attempts at contacting him for payment. I actually think it was kind of a douchy thing for him to do, but that is just me. I have been wrong before, maybe I am this time too? But I respect your opinion.

thanks
leon

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Leon

as I write this right now, half way home in Lebanon TN.

Well shit Leon, if I'd known you were stopping in my Podunk hometown I would have bought dinner or least scotch.

[drcy]

I've never read the advertising rules or advertised, but through observation of the board know that it's a rule that an auction house can't post about their auctions on the front page if they don't have a banner. Auction houses have tried before and were advised to buy a banner. Once they have a banner they can post news and updates about their auctions.

As Leon once stated, the idea is it's unfair to the people who buy banners if auction houses can simply advertise for free by starting threads.

So I can testify that isn't a new rule.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Having to wait for 2 months to be paid is bad enough, but the lack of communication would make me question a future business relationship.

Just my 2¢.

Jeff G@rf!nke!

[Texxxx]

John
As a business owner for over 30 years, I totally believe in tar and feathering people that knowingly dont pay there bills. Mistakes happen but it is had to call this a mistake by Troy.

[autograf]

If you can't pay on time for months already rendered, you go on a three months ahead basis. You don't pay, your upcoming three months are shut down.

[iwantitiwinit]

If he wants to advertise with you I'd say fine but he has to be at least 2 months paid in full in advance. If he values the advertising that shouldn't be a problem especially since it's only 200/month. If he argues dump him and don't give it a second thought.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

John
As a business owner for over 30 years, I totally believe in tar and feathering people that knowingly dont pay there bills. Mistakes happen but it is had to call this a mistake by Troy.

Bruce as fellow business owner I respectfully disagree.

I fail to see any value in airing dirty laundry or internal drama publicly. I like the board and respect Leon's rules and it's his place now. However that doesn't mean I need to pile on and agree with everything Leon says or does. I think Leon would agree with this.

I do think this could have been handled quietly and off the board with the same results or better results. In the end it's not my board and not my business so Leon can do as he pleases, just added an outside view for perspective.

Cheers,

John

[JasonD08]

+1 to what John just said. Personal issues should be handled privately and not unfairly poured over a forum you have total control of. While I feel it is appropriate to out someone who may be in danger of hurting others (in warning) either financially or physically, this was a personal business transaction and should not have been charged up publicly.

Jason

[pencil1974]

Yeah I agree with Wonka on this one. As a business owner myself too we are usually paid 30-60 days after our designs and ads have already been delivered. I guess since its a few hundred dollars I just look at that as too small of potatoes to get in a huffing match over. Just my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

However that doesn't mean I need to pile on and agree with everything Leon says or does. I think Leon would agree with this.
Cheers,

John

So you disagree with him and he agrees with you? This is getting too metaphysical for me.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Well shit Leon, if I'd known you were stopping in my Podunk hometown I would have bought dinner or least scotch.

Steve
My wife says you don't know Podunk, she is from Podunk. Her town has one stop light.