WW3 Please SAY NO!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I don’t know much about Black Sabbath other than the first two albums but I do know that Ian Gillan said that he was the worst possible lead singer for them and that the album he did with them was a disaster, but he also says the other three in the group are great guys and he’s on excellent terms with them.

Oh yeah, Butler, Ward, and Iommi are all phenomenal musicians. And Ian Gillan is definitely no slouch as a singer either. First ever concert I went to was to see him and Deep Purple in 1973. Listening to them perform Smoke On the Water live would blow your mind, along with your eardrums. LOL

Thing to me is, you need Ozzy's voice to match up with and bring out the best of Black Sabbath. They truly demonstrate how the sum can be so much greater than the parts. They just aren't the same with someone else singing their songs.

[Shoeless Moe]

Sounds like Kyiv is about to fall.

Isn't that where Zelensky is? or is he on the move?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by BobC

Oh yeah, Butler, Ward, and Iommi are all phenomenal musicians. And Ian Gillan is definitely no slouch as a singer either. First ever concert I went to was to see him and Deep Purple in 1973. Listening to them perform Smoke On the Water live would blow your mind, along with your eardrums. LOL

Thing to me is, you need Ozzy's voice to match up with and bring out the best of Black Sabbath. They truly demonstrate how the sum can be so much greater than the parts. They just aren't the same with someone else singing their songs.

This is true. Even though I really like Dio, the old BS songs aren't the same with him instead of Ozzy.

[irv]

113 BILLION to Ukraine, and counting.
To put this into perspective. If one had just 1 million dollars it would take 3 yrs to spend it if one spent a $1,000 dollars each and every day (24/7 365)
To spend the same amount, a $1,000 each and every day, with just 1 billion, (not 113) it would take one 2,740 yrs to spend it.

Just curious how many are willing to send their son's and daughters to Ukraine, (one of the most corrupt and crooked regimes on this planet) to help Zelenskyy out like he is suggesting?

Anyone else curious when WW3 is about to begin? We are getting closer and closer each and everyday.
And before anyone thinks Putin is the aggressor here, please tell me why Joe and company discouraged Zelenskyy from reaching a peace agreement with him? Why is the U.S. so heavily invested in Ukraine? Can anyone give me a reasonable explanation, an explanation that would justify supporting Zelenskyy and his band of Nazi's?
Since 2014 Russia is the only side who has been advocating for peace and negotiations, hence the Minsk agreements. Even now they have reached out to end the conflict. Deaf ears... If they wanted to destroy Ukraine they would have by now. I don't think that is what they want to do despite all of the rhetoric.
https://youtu.be/gQRrj1FZICE
Zelinsky:

Ukraine needs fresh young Americans to help fight on the ground war.

"The US will have to send their Son's & Daughter's... to WAR..."

"....and they will be DYING."

https://twitter.com/JamesPhillips00/...84722253312002

[steve B]

How about looking at Putins offer.

"Give us 20% of your country and we might leave you alone for a while, maybe"

Such a bargain!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by steve B

How about looking at Putins offer.

"Give us 20% of your country and we might leave you alone for a while, maybe"

Such a bargain!

Right. It frustrates me that some people didn't learn the simple lesson of WW2: When dealing with a sociopathic megalomaniac intent on starting wars and grabbing land from its sovereign neighbors, appeasement doesn't work.

[Smarti5051]

Using the "James Phillips quote machine," I believe this accurately reflects Irv's position on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, as I am quoting Irv directly:

"Putin is the aggressor. . . . [T]he U.S. [is] so heavily invested in Ukraine[,] that would justify supporting Zelenskyy. . . . [M]any are willing to send their son's and daughters to Ukraine, to help Zelenskyy out."

I am shocked to read this! I disagree with Irv's position and do not believe we should be sending American troops to fight in Ukraine. Based on the quote above, it seems like Irv might be motivated by profit, not peace.

Obviously, this is all malarky, and everyone with the benefit of reading what Irv actually said knows it. But, anybody reading or reposting the quote above without his original post will have no idea how manipulated it is. It underscores how dangerous it is to premise your ideas on a completely falsified account of what the originator of information actually said.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Smarti5051

Using the "James Phillips quote machine," I believe this accurately reflects Irv's position on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, as I am quoting Irv directly:

"Putin is the aggressor. . . . [T]he U.S. [is] so heavily invested in Ukraine[,] that would justify supporting Zelenskyy. . . . [M]any are willing to send their son's and daughters to Ukraine, to help Zelenskyy out."

I am shocked to read this! I disagree with Irv's position and do not believe we should be sending American troops to fight in Ukraine. Based on the quote above, it seems like Irv might be motivated by profit, not peace.

Obviously, this is all malarky, and everyone with the benefit of reading what Irv actually said knows it. But, anybody reading or reposting the quote above without his original post will have no idea how manipulated it is. It underscores how dangerous it is to premise your ideas on a completely falsified account of what the originator of information actually said.

I am confused by your post, Scott? I am not saying and/or suggesting the above bold at all, quite the opposite actually.
I think it is crazy that it, the Ukraine war, has actually escalated to this point.
Like I've asked numerous times now, why is the U.S. so invested in Ukraine?

It is nothing but a Proxy war with Russia and they've been planning this for sometime now but someone got in the way for 4 years.

NATO, the U.S. and Ukraine are the aggressors here.
China is currently doing business with Mexico.
What do you suppose would happen if China put up military bases and missle silo's along the U.S./Mexican border?
Both side of the political fence would react as expected.
This is something the U.S. and their funded media tries to keep from us.

I am no Putin sympathizer but he is not the aggressor here nor did he start this but those that are, like I said, are going to get us into WW3.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by irv

I am confused by your post, Scott? I am not saying and/or suggesting the above bold at all, quite the opposite actually.
I think it is crazy that it, the Ukraine war, has actually escalated to this point.
Like I've asked numerous times now, why is the U.S. so invested in Ukraine

I think he is saying that someone nefarious could quote your post out of context to make it say the opposite of what you actually mean. Not that any members here would do that .

[Smarti5051]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I think he is saying that someone nefarious could quote your post out of context to make it say the opposite of what you actually mean. Not that any members here would do that .

Well, yes, but more precisely, I was drawing a parallel to the quote of Zelenskyy being tortured by the Twitter user Irv referenced in his original statement. Much like my tortured quote of Irv, JamesPhillips bastardized a quote from Zelenskyy to suggest he said something very different from what he actually said. Irv then uses this mis-quote as support for part of his argument. I was pointing out that relying on a bad source for factual information can be dangerous.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

It is nothing but a Proxy war with Russia and they've been planning this for sometime now but someone got in the way for 4 years.

NATO, the U.S. and Ukraine are the aggressors here.

Putin has said the biggest tragedy of the 20th century was the disillusion of the USSR. His plans in Ukraine are clearly to conquer as many countries and grab as much land as possible. Early in the war, Lukashenko laid out the plan to invade Moldova after conquering Ukraine. Medvedev has even suggested Russia should move int east Germany.

The war is in Ukraine because Russia invaded Ukraine. They have been bombing hospitals, apartments, schools, and power plants (in winter) to kill as many civilians as possible. There are thousands of documented instances of torture, civilian executions, rape as policy, and other various war crimes.

When you say the USA, NATO, and Ukraine are the aggressors, you are dead wrong. It's like blaming Poland for being invaded by Hitler.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Smarti5051

Well, yes, but more precisely, I was drawing a parallel to the quote of Zelenskyy being tortured by the Twitter user Irv referenced in his original statement. Much like my tortured quote of Irv, JamesPhillips bastardized a quote from Zelenskyy to suggest he said something very different from what he actually said. Irv then uses this mis-quote as support for part of his argument. I was pointing out that relying on a bad source for factual information can be dangerous.

Yes, the twitter bit is snapshot of the full conversation and just like I posted, it was posted out of context, but at the same time if you can't see that Zelenskyy is just trying to elicit sympathy and instill fear in the American Public so the billions keep flowing, then I can't help you.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Putin has said the biggest tragedy of the 20th century was the disillusion of the USSR. His plans in Ukraine are clearly to conquer as many countries and grab as much land as possible. Early in the war, Lukashenko laid out the plan to invade Moldova after conquering Ukraine. Medvedev has even suggested Russia should move int east Germany.

The war is in Ukraine because Russia invaded Ukraine. They have been bombing hospitals, apartments, schools, and power plants (in winter) to kill as many civilians as possible. There are thousands of documented instances of torture, civilian executions, rape as policy, and other various war crimes.

When you say the USA, NATO, and Ukraine are the aggressors, you are dead wrong. It's like blaming Poland for being invaded by Hitler.

Yes, not denying that but like I wrote above, how do you think the U.S. would react if China, even without the help of NATO, placed military bases and missle silo's along the U.S. border?

Those other things you wrote, Mark, are straight out of the MSM feeds. The oldest trick in the book to make Putin and Russia look a bunch of barbarians to drum up support and dwell up sympathy for Ukraine.
Watch the vid I posted earlier/yesterday/whenever about Ukraine. It should be an eye opener. Azov Nazi's are a large part of Zelenskyy's army/support groups. They have been torturing/killing citizens in the eastern parts of Ukraine for years now.

This NBC journalist is now on a Ukrainian Nazis hit list all because he questioned some Russian citizens in Crimea about Ukraine and Ukraine govt (Zelenskyy/the Nazi's) didn't like it. Real fine caring people over there.
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/...46414926225408
https://myrotvorets-center.translate..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It's like blaming Poland for being invaded by Hitler.

Hitler wasn’t the only one to invade Poland in September 1939.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by irv

NATO, the U.S. and Ukraine are the aggressors here.

Irv has a point here. Zelensky should have never bloodied Putin's fist by repeatedly beating it with his face.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Irv has a point here. Zelensky should have never bloodied Putin's fist by repeatedly beating it with his face.

Irv's commitment to the bit is admirable. I keep wondering when he's going to break character but it hasn't happened yet.