Heritage Auction problem

Splinte1941 · #1 06-11-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by deebro041

Heritage is our Platinum sponsor.

Leon, does this mean I should delete my post and/or apologize?

Leon · #2 06-11-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

Leon, does this mean I should delete my post and/or apologize?

Why? You didn't break any rule. I think Heritage does a great job but if others have different opinions then they can express them. No one or business, advertiser or no advertiser, is off limits on this board. You have your name by your post. That is all that counts as far as being able to say almost anything you want to, per the rules.

Splinte1941 · #3 06-11-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Why? You didn't break any rule. I think Heritage does a great job but if others have different opinions then they can express them. No one or business, advertiser or no advertiser, is off limits on this board. You have your name by your post. That is all that counts as far as being able to say almost anything you want to, per the rules.

OK, thanks.

travrosty · #4 06-11-2012, 10:28 AM

the fact they wouldnt pressure the "winning" bidder to pay or to release their name only makes me wonder more.

Leon · #5 06-11-2012, 10:54 AM

Heritage is an advertiser but I will give an opinion anyway. Even though Chris (Ivy) and I don't always agree on everything I don't know anyone in the hobby more honest than he is. I would be absolutely shocked if his division of the company is doing anything wrong (on purpose). Do they make mistakes, no doubt. But as far as doing anything that is illegal, or even close to illegal, I think there is no way in hell that is happening. Heritage wouldn't have been in business so long and be so successful if they did things that weren't on the up and up. Sure, anyone can say anything they want to....and completely disagree with me, no issue there, but those are my thoughts. I do politely disagree with some of their rules on bidding but it's their business and they are doing nothing against the law by the way they run their auctions.

sports-rings · #6 06-11-2012, 11:24 AM

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the fact they wouldnt pressure the "winning" bidder to pay or to release their name only makes me wonder more.

Again, I am not sure how much of an effort they applied in pressuring the wining bidder to complete the transaction on my canceled sale. It may have been a monumental effort or it could have been very little.

I tried to get as much information as I could but Heritage did not reveal too much. I did ask and was told that the winning bidder had purchased items in the past and also consigned with them, but will no longer be allowed to bid in any future heritage auctions.

Sadly, I feel when I put this unique item up for bid next time, people will wonder if something was wrong with the item since it had been in the heritage auction in May. I wonder if it will do worse since it will be auctioned off a 2nd time.

travrosty · #7 06-11-2012, 11:37 AM

I needed the money bad and after three months, left holding the bag, and they got the stones to ask me to consign it with them again? yeah, i want to dink around another 3 months with them.

they listed their autographs as jsa auction LOA when they weren't. thats lying. When you say something that isn't so it's a lie.

when i told chris ivy that is not cool, he told me to mind my own business. then 6 months later when it got some traction and he couldnt contain it any further, he acts like this is the first time he heard of such claims, and then says he is happy to help out the customer by fixing the problem. unbelievable. And the people who bring these items to light get their accounts banned. yeah, they are a super auction house.

He also said the only times they put up the premature auction loa by jsa was on preview items where no live bidding was taking place. This was also a lie. myself and others showed instances of weekly internet auctions that had the premature jsa auction loa tag on them and the items were up for live internet bidding. When he says something like that - that isn't true, it's called a lie. That's not being honest, it's the definition of dishonesty.

Only when they got caught on a high-visibility scale, did they do anything about it and the people who pressured them to change got the brunt of their wrath by getting their bidding accounts cancelled, at least 5 people. They helped the customer and we helped them help the customer and if it wasn't for us they would still be doing it but we are the bad guys who deserve our accounts cancelled? Jeez!

So when you say you know Ivy to be honest as the day is long, that's fine for you, I am here to say I know a different Chris Ivy.

That's them in a nutshell and I don't care if they are a platinum sponsor or a plutonium sponsor. I am glad everyone can voice their opinion.

Splinte1941 · #8 06-11-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Even though Chris (Ivy) and I don't always agree on everything I don't know anyone in the hobby more honest than he is.

I'll disagree and take Jim Stinson, David Hunt, Henry Yee, and Richard Simon for $500 Alex...

thekingofclout · #9 06-11-2012, 04:13 PM

I'm confused.

Didn't Travis get barred by Heritage several months ago? And if so, I've never heard of an auction house accepting consignments from someone that they had barred?

And even a bit stranger in my opinion. A few months ago, Travis continued to bash Heritage here on net 54. He bashed them pretty darn good too. My question is:

Travis. Why would you consign an autograph with Heritage when you were convinced that, as a Company and Chris Ivy himself, were liars. And not just regular liars but really big, BIG liars.

Just what made you choose Heritage? Especially during the Spring Auction Season when there were SEVERAL Major Auction Houses that all had auctions withing weeks, some before, and some after, the date that Heritage chose for their auction. How do you explain that choice Travis? What compelled you to get on board with Heritage? It makes me wonder...

I personally don't know a single person (and I know a lot of people) that would trust an expensive item with someone whom they DO NOT TRUST and were convinced was a LIAR! It's just unheard of.

thxforthebp · #10 06-11-2012, 04:25 PM

After a phone call today with Heritage I am even more frustrated than I was to begin with. I was originally told the item would ship, it didn't. After calling again today I was told that the auction was voided because the item I won was misrepresented in the description. That is true but I wanted it regardless I knew exactly what I was purchasing after stating that and asking more questions was told it was lost. Now I was given two stories have no item, and was left extremely frustrated. The called ended with them saying if the item was located by them after they misplaced it I would be offered it at the sale price, all I can say is when stories contradict each other I should probably walk the other way.

Josh Drasher
jbd99@verizon.net

Splinte1941 · #11 06-11-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thxforthebp

After a phone call today with Heritage I am even more frustrated than I was to begin with. I was originally told the item would ship, it didn't. After calling again today I was told that the auction was voided because the item I won was misrepresented in the description. That is true but I wanted it regardless I knew exactly what I was purchasing after stating that and asking more questions was told it was lost. Now I was given two stories have no item, and was left extremely frustrated. The called ended with them saying if the item was located by them after they misplaced it I would be offered it at the sale price, all I can say is when stories contradict each other I should probably walk the other way.

Hmmm. I think I can begin to see a little fire through all of this thick smoke.

The item was lost? This is a bad comedy routine. At best.

travrosty · #12 06-12-2012, 10:42 AM

[QUOTE=thxforthebp;1002666]After a phone call today with Heritage I am even more frustrated than I was to begin with. I was originally told the item would ship, it didn't. After calling again today I was told that the auction was voided because the item I won was misrepresented in the description. That is true but I wanted it regardless I knew exactly what I was purchasing after stating that and asking more questions was told it was lost. Now I was given two stories have no item, and was left extremely frustrated. The called ended with them saying if the item was located by them after they misplaced it I would be offered it at the sale price, all I can say is when stories contradict each other I should probably walk the other way.

sorry to hear that. did the customer service person have a name? was it n.p. gresham?

thekingofclout · #13 06-11-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

I needed the money bad and after three months, left holding the bag, and they got the stones to ask me to consign it with them again? yeah, i want to dink around another 3 months with them.

they listed their autographs as jsa auction LOA when they weren't. thats lying. When you say something that isn't so it's a lie.

when i told chris ivy that is not cool, he told me to mind my own business. then 6 months later when it got some traction and he couldnt contain it any further, he acts like this is the first time he heard of such claims, and then says he is happy to help out the customer by fixing the problem. unbelievable. And the people who bring these items to light get their accounts banned. yeah, they are a super auction house.

He also said the only times they put up the premature auction loa by jsa was on preview items where no live bidding was taking place. This was also a lie. myself and others showed instances of weekly internet auctions that had the premature jsa auction loa tag on them and the items were up for live internet bidding. When he says something like that - that isn't true, it's called a lie. That's not being honest, it's the definition of dishonesty.

Only when they got caught on a high-visibility scale, did they do anything about it and the people who pressured them to change got the brunt of their wrath by getting their bidding accounts cancelled, at least 5 people. They helped the customer and we helped them help the customer and if it wasn't for us they would still be doing it but we are the bad guys who deserve our accounts cancelled? Jeez!

So when you say you know Ivy to be honest as the day is long, that's fine for you, I am here to say I know a different Chris Ivy.

That's them in a nutshell and I don't care if they are a platinum sponsor or a plutonium sponsor. I am glad everyone can voice their opinion.

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Originally Posted by thekingofclout

I'm confused.

Didn't Travis get barred by Heritage several months ago? And if so, I've never heard of an auction house accepting consignments from someone that they had barred?

And even a bit stranger in my opinion. A few months ago, Travis continued to bash Heritage here on net 54. He bashed them pretty darn good too. My question is:

Travis. Why would you consign an autograph with Heritage when you were convinced that, as a Company and Chris Ivy himself, were liars. And not just regular liars but really big, BIG liars.

Just what made you choose Heritage? Especially during the Spring Auction Season when there were SEVERAL Major Auction Houses that all had auctions withing weeks, some before, and some after, the date that Heritage chose for their auction. How do you explain that choice Travis? What compelled you to get on board with Heritage? It makes me wonder...

I personally don't know a single person (and I know a lot of people) that would trust an expensive item with someone whom they DO NOT TRUST and were convinced was a LIAR! It's just unheard of.

Sorry. I forgot to add my name. Jimmy Catanzaro

travrosty · #14 06-12-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Sorry. I forgot to add my name. Jimmy Catanzaro

The reason is that it is the first and only time i had ever consigned anything with them, and i didnt know heritage that well, I had emailed ivy and heritage before and they were cordial enough, they were just a big auction house and I thought i could get some exposure for my item.

All of the lying and the premature auction loa stuff came after this. I was shocked to see them do it this way. Blame the messenger for a mess they created themselves.

And I got banned for telling the truth to the hobby because of it, but the cancellation of my account was after I had consigned and had the auction listing cancelled after the fact due to a non paying bidder.

I actually found out the transaction on this listing was cancelled by checking the listing after the auction ended and seeing a auction listing cancellation on the listing first before i even got an email or a call from them that something had happened. I had to contact them to ask why the auction was reversed. Now that's nice. Did they plan on telling me at all? Why the internet listing on this auction item was updated before they called or emailed me telling me of the outcome I will never know.

Of course i wouldn't ever consign with them again. I am not allowed to, but as they say, you can't fire me, I quit. There is more than one auction house out there.

Now you know.

Runscott · #15 06-11-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I'll disagree and take Jim Stinson, David Hunt, Henry Yee, and Richard Simon for $500 Alex...

Your list above names one of the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with in the hobby. I guess it's all just a matter of personal experiences - also, my experiences with Chris Ivy have been fantastic.

Splinte1941 · #16 06-12-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Your list above names one of the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with in the hobby. I guess it's all just a matter of personal experiences - also, my experiences with Chris Ivy have been fantastic.

Would you care to share your experience with the person in question?

Runscott · #17 06-12-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

Would you care to share your experience with the person in question?

Jake, I probably should not have responded to your post, but it offended me as you contrasted an honest person (Chris) with someone who at least at one point in time was blatantly dishonest. I'm told by a board member who I have the greatest respect for that this person has turned over a new leaf. That's great, but he used up all three strikes with me.

Again, if Chris' name had not been mentioned disparagingly, I would not have responded. Rest easy realizing that my opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to any of the new guys here, and the old ones know exactly who and what I'm talking about.

Richard - I have no reason to doubt your honesty. And given how much animosity you still feel for Heritage, I'm sure you can understand that I also still haven't forgotten some of my bad experiences with sellers.

RichardSimon · #18 06-12-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Your list above names one of the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with in the hobby. I guess it's all just a matter of personal experiences - also, my experiences with Chris Ivy have been fantastic.

Scott - you have cast doubt about four people now and I would think that you should clear up that statement of yours.

Splinte1941 · #19 06-12-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Scott - you have cast doubt about four people now and I would think that you should clear up that statement of yours.

+1

slidekellyslide · #20 06-12-2012, 12:13 PM

Items missing from a Heritage auction?? The first place I'd check is Mike Gutierrez's basement.

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