Heritage Auction problem

[thekingofclout]

Richard. I would think that Jonathan is insinuating that he knows who the Cooperstown Forger is, and that you may not. But you have still worked with him in the past in some way shape or form. And I'm pretty damn sure I nailed it as well. Just don't want to reveal it for any possible legal ramifications.

[slidekellyslide]

Hilarious...Heritage auctions works EVERY DAY with the "Cooperstown Thief".

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Hilarious...Heritage auctions works EVERY DAY with the "Cooperstown Thief".

Dan, you are so funny .

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Dan, you are so funny .

How does someone work every damn day with someone who is banned from the Baseball Hall of Fame library and make such a statement? IMO Jonathan Scheier is the worst possible mouthpiece that Heritage can send over to Net54 to play defense...he's always condescending and the accusations he's just lobbed here broke my irony meter.

[thxforthebp]

That was reason number 3 that my item disappeared.....oh well chalk that one up as the white whale in my collection.

[sports-rings]

boards such as these paint a very distorted picture.

Jonathan,

I was very careful to not provide opinions, just to explain my recent experience of an item not selling. I even clarified when someone else mentioned shill bidding that I never accused Heritage of shill bidding and I also wrote that I have no idea what effort went into trying to get the winning bidder to complete the transaction.

Since I am not working with any forgers or bloggers and I have pledged additional items to be auctioned off in your upcoming auctions I hope I will not be banned from your auctions, both as a bidder and a consigner.

If I am going to be banned as a bidder or consigner, I would appreciate knowing as soon as possible so I can make other arrangements.

Thanks,

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Richard. I would think that Jonathan is insinuating that he knows who the Cooperstown Forger is, and that you may not. But you have still worked with him in the past in some way shape or form. And I'm pretty damn sure I nailed it as well. Just don't want to reveal it for any possible legal ramifications.

In some way, shape or form?
What does that mean?
What work did I do with him?
You are making accusations here, can you back them up?

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

In some way, shape or form?
What does that mean?
What work did I do?
You are making accusations here, can you back them up?

Richard. I'm not making any accusations here! Jeez a child could see that I was trying to help you to get to the gist of what Jonathan wrote, as you seemed baffled by it.

And to answer your question: You have worked with him in some way shape or form = you have worked with him in some respects.

Alright now. Recess is for 20 minutes. THAT"S 20 MINUTES ONLY!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Richard. I'm not making any accusations here! Jeez a child could see that I was trying to help you to get to the gist of what Jonathan wrote, as you seemed baffled by it.

And to answer your question: You have worked with him in some way shape or form = you have worked with him in some respects.

Alright now. Recess is for 20 minutes. THAT"S 20 MINUTES ONLY!

If Heritage auctions is going to level accusations like that in a public forum they better make it clearer then. Leaving it out there like that is sleazy, and lowers my opinion of the messenger even lower than it already was.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

If Heritage auctions is going to level accusations like that in a public forum they better make it clearer then. Leaving it out there like that is sleazy, and lowers my opinion of the messenger even lower than it already was.

"Simon’s account, as well as several others’, was suspended for allegedly working in conjunction with a man known to the law enforcement world (and on this board and http://whitebetsy.wordpress.com/) as “The Cooperstown Forger.”

That's their words Dan, NOT mine.

It would be great if one of our resident attorneys could chime in regarding the use of the word "allegedly" and let us know just how much protection that offers the user in a situation like this?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

"Simon’s account, as well as several others’, was suspended for allegedly working in conjunction with a man known to the law enforcement world (and on this board and http://whitebetsy.wordpress.com/) as “The Cooperstown Forger.”

That's their words Dan, NOT mine.

It would be great if one of our resident attorneys could chime in regarding the use of the word "allegedly" and let us know just how much protection that offers the user in a situation like this?

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

And that children is what is referred to in common sense circles as BINGO.

[RichardSimon]

It was speculated to me a few days ago, by a hobbyist, allegedly (that word again) who the Cooperstown Forger might be. He did say there was no proof at all, just lots of speculation.
If that hobbyist is correct then I do know that person. But "allegedly working in conjunction" with him? That cleverly implies that I am working with him in forging activities, without Jonathan having to say that I am forging with him. That is probably near slander and very carefully couched in terms that can give them deniability. Nice work, Jonathan, be proud of yourself for a baseless near slander.
I would think and hope that nobody on this board would believe that I would work in conjunction with a forger in forging activities.
I have fought forgers for 20 years and many know that.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

Obviously they are.

[thxforthebp]

The only information on the Cooperstown forger available at this point is this artist rendering.........

[BigJJ]

Cracking up

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thxforthebp

The only information on the Cooperstown forger available at this point is this artist rendering.........

Holy smokes!!! DB Cooper!!!!

[Splinte1941]

If anyone had any real sack in this thread, and had information, they would out this Cooperstown Asshole and simply type "allegedly" somewhere in the sentence.

Why is the identity of this prick being protected? Obviously this felon holds enough cache in the business to scare people off. It's like the Memorabilia Mafia. What a god damned joke.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

If anyone had any real sack in this thread, and had information, they would out this Cooperstown Asshole and simply type "allegedly" somewhere in the sentence.

Why is the identity of this prick being protected? Obviously this piece of shit holds enough cache in the business to scare people off. It's like the Memorabilia Mafia. What a god damned joke.

According to what was told to me, nobody has any information, it is pure speculation. There is zero information out there to prove anything. It is not about cache in the business, it is that there is no information at all about who the forger is.
People are not scared, they lack facts or proof.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

According to what was told to me, nobody has any information, it is pure speculation. There is zero information out there to prove anything. It is not about cache in the business, it is that there is no information at all about who the forger is.
People are not scared, they lack facts or proof.

I wasn't referring to you Richard, but someone here knows who this guy is.

Hell, the Cooperstown Forger may actually be one of us...