PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

[bobbyw8469]

SGC is much more consistent.

I wouldn't say that. I can show you around 50 Mutoscope cases that I had to crack out because SGC blew the grades on every single one of them. And I think BigDaddyBowman has a pic of all the SGC cases he had to break out because they blew his grades too.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I wouldn't say that. I can show you around 50 Mutoscope cases that I had to crack out because SGC blew the grades on every single one of them. And I think BigDaddyBowman has a pic of all the SGC cases he had to break out because they blew his grades too.

Sounds like SGC was consistent and you just disagreed with the grades. I would definitely like to see scans of what you are talking about. Mutoscope is non-sports? 1940s?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Sounds like SGC was consistent and you just disagreed with the grades.

I agree with this. Bobby, you may not have like the grades, but they were consistent. The Diver's License card does look better than the assigned grade. I agree with you there. However, none of us had the privilege to have the cards in hand so we really can't tell. SGC did and they saw something they didn't like.

Let me ask you this, Bobby. Would you rather have a card that, IN YOUR OPINION, was undergraded or would you rather have a card like this that is FOR A FACT overgraded?

[bobbyw8469]

David, PSA has something called a "Grade Guarantee". They are humans, same as the SGC graders grading mint vending box cards as 4's. The card you show was turned in for their "Grade Guarantee", reassigned the proper grade, and a check was cut for the monetary difference. Your disdain for PSA shows constantly, however, I can show you problems with BOTH graders. Let Big Chief rest.

[glynparson]

Agree 100%. SGC has made similar errors. In fact Id bet on percentage of cards graded the numbers are extremelly accurate.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Agree 100%. SGC has made similar errors. In fact Id bet on percentage of cards graded the numbers are extremelly accurate.

You may agree 100%, but you couldn't be any more wrong. Show me one SGC card with paper loss that is graded a 4 or higher. I can show you many PSA cards with paper loss that are graded a 4 or higher.

[whitehse]

Isnt this just a case of personal preference and to argue this issue is a moot point?

I dont understand the need to have this type of thread once a year when in the end it is only a personal choice of which TPG we all like and use (or dont use as the case may be).

[JohnP0621]

Regardless of who you like better. I think that both grading companys probably make a mistake on less than 1 out of every 100 cards. Both companys use humans to grade their cards . Sometimes I get a card graded and feel that it should have graded higher but other times I feel I got a better grade than the card deserves. But 99% of the time the grade is accurate. That happens with both graders. If you dont like the service dont use it. But grading is here to stay. So lets just move on to another subject.

John P

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

David, PSA has something called a "Grade Guarantee". They are humans, same as the SGC graders grading mint vending box cards as 4's. The card you show was turned in for their "Grade Guarantee", reassigned the proper grade, and a check was cut for the monetary difference. Your disdain for PSA shows constantly, however, I can show you problems with BOTH graders. Let Big Chief rest.

I agree with Bobby on this one, I've purchased many undergraded cards in SGC holders... Seller beware, I guess. Maybe you forgot to buddy up wih the graders. Next time bring pizza and beer.

I think SGC is too carefull with grades sometimes. The seller ends up losing our in these situations.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I agree with Bobby on this one, I've purchased many undergraded cards in SGC holders... Seller beware, I guess. Maybe you forgot to buddy up wih the graders. Next time bring pizza and beer.

I think SGC is too carefull with grades sometimes. The seller ends up losing our in these situations.

I agree with Bobby on this one too. His card looks better than an 84. I also agree that I have purchased many undergraded cards in SGC holders and yes, maybe it means SGC is being too carefull (conservative) with grades.

However, if you are a buyer, isn't that a good thing (wouldn't you want a better looking card for a better price) or am I missing something? That's why I buy SGC graded cards because I know there's a good chance that it was graded conservatively and the card may be nicer than it's PSA counterpart.

Then again, that's from a buyer's perspective. If I was a seller and wanted to get more bang for my buck, I would probably go with PSA because I know they're not going to grade as careful and the card will sell for more.

[teetwoohsix]

About missing paper loss.......how does a "grader" miss paper loss?!? I mean, does he look at the edges for 3 seconds and throw a grade on it? PAPER LOSS. Right there in his face. What the? I haven't seen that happen with SGC-maybe it has happened, but I haven't seen it.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I agree with Bobby on this one too. His card looks better than an 84. I also agree that I have purchased many undergraded cards in SGC holders and yes, maybe it means SGC is being too carefull (conservative) with grades.

However, if you are a buyer, isn't that a good thing (wouldn't you want a better looking card for a better price) or am I missing something? That's why I buy SGC graded cards because I know there's a good chance that it was graded conservatively and the card may be nicer than it's PSA counterpart.

Then again, that's from a buyer's perspective. If I was a seller and wanted to get more bang for my buck, I would probably go with PSA because I know they're not going to grade as careful and the card will sell for more.

Sure, if your a buyer, but buyers are not the ones subbing cards. TPGs are for sellers trying to get max value for their cards. That's not going to happen with SGC. If I had to guess, they grade conservatively to keep buyers of cards from demanding they make good on their guarantee.

Why any sellers use their service is beyond me. To those who say the black make their card pop, hold a raw one in your hand and see how it pops then.

I've busted many SGC cards out and from experience, that black insert does more damage then good. I know all of you that have sgc cards have seen the card slip behind the insert. That insert is fairly sharp with sometimes somewhat jagged edges.

Oh and BTW, is that the Plank I sold you? I know the condition flaw it has but the grade is a bummer.