Premium for Lionel Carter Collection Cards?

[calvindog]

I think there's a premium, but not a huge one. Certainly you'll know that the card has not been trimmed or otherwise altered as well as the fact that it was owned by a hobby legend.

[T206Collector]

That Jefferson Burdick once owned this card is actually more important to me than the fact that Lefty Leifield signed it.

[drc]

You'll get a good premium when the card belonged to Christy Mathewson.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think there's a premium, but not a huge one. Certainly you'll know that the card has not been trimmed or otherwise altered as well as the fact that it was owned by a hobby legend.

Actually I have some Lionel Carter & Frank Nagy cards that are trimmed.
Here's a trimmed T207 that Mr Carter owned.

[philliesphan]

The prize card of my collection can be traced back to hobby pioneer Edward Wharton Tigar. That provenance in and of itself makes it exceptionally cool, a card for which I would pay a premium.

There have been examples of premiums paid for provenance. For example, I believe the 1952 Topps card that was owned by Mickey Mantle (from the Dreier collection) is one such example. All 1952 Mantles have a certain cache to them -- but one owned by Mantle has been demonstrated by the market to be worth a significant premium.

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[CMIZ5290]

I have many t206s from the harris collection. Don't recall paying a premium on any of them.

[jp1216]

My one and only LC. No premium paid - maybe 10%. But neat to own one. Also was able to get one of those 'Feller Owned' - I put more premium on that being a Feller collector.

[shaunsteig]

I think a small premium (10-20%) is appropriate for a pedigree card. After all, if you had a choice between the pedigreed card and the non-pedigreed card, in same condition and same price, you'd pick the pedigree card every time, no?

My only pedigreed card:


Thanks,
--S

[Jay Wolt]

After all, if you had a choice between the pedigreed card and the non-pedigreed card, in same condition and same price, you'd pick the pedigree card every time, no?

Depends who's pedigree is on the card.
As a collector of pedigreed cards, I won't pay a premium on some collectors who wanted their name on the card.
Be it Mr. X, Harris, Rothman, Pollard, Hull etc...
But hobby pioneers, that's a different story, I will pay a premium for Lionel Carter, Jefferson Burdick, Buck Barker, Frank Nagy, Sir E.W. Tigar etc..
I would also pay a premium for baseball players own personal cards.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think there's a premium, but not a huge one. Certainly you'll know that the card has not been trimmed or otherwise altered as well as the fact that it was owned by a hobby legend.

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

[dog*dirt]

Originally Posted by tbob

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

I agree because this card I have used to be in a slab with the Lionel Carter flip. I still have the flip somewhere.

[t206hound]

I paid MAYBE a 10% premium for this one... glad to have it:

[DixieBaseball]

With all due respect to Mr. Carter, I would not pay a 1% premium for any cardboard that has been in his collection. I view all of us as temporary holder's of cardboard. I don't see any special feat of being a holder of cardboard. The enjoyment of collecting, the history, and learning from other collector's is what I enjoy about the hobby, not who might have owned it. It does not make it any more special for me.

[oldjudge]

Corey, you make a good point. On cards where there may be a question of tampering, knowing the card has been untouched for 50+ years may be worth something. The fact that that information on a slab adds value to the card implies that people do not have confidence in the TPG they are paying to grade cards, but that is a separate issue. I also find these comments as an indirect tip of the cap to Doug Allen and the folks at Legendary Auctions. If Doug had not insisted that SGC include the Lionel Carter reference on the slabs there would be no way of telling where the cards came from ( and thus no premium). This is the value added that a good auction house can provide.

[calvindog]

When they're not committing massive fraud.

[Matthew H]

I value items that are fresh to the hobby more then famous collector provanance. Finds of old cards are getting fewer and farther between.

A few recents that come to mind: Beantown cards, Virginia's OJs, kyletexas... I tend to be be a sucker for small finds too. If something pops up with a cool story of its origin tend to want it.

Some of the cards Lionel Carter had were purchased the same way we all buy cards every day. They're just regular cards circulating around the hobby to me.

[oldjudge]

And the Black Swamp Find. Most finds add interest in the cards found. The Black Swamp Find, however, will kill the high grade E98 market.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by tbob

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

Bob, exactly.