Premium for Lionel Carter Collection Cards?

[tbob]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think there's a premium, but not a huge one. Certainly you'll know that the card has not been trimmed or otherwise altered as well as the fact that it was owned by a hobby legend.

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

[dog*dirt]

Originally Posted by tbob

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

I agree because this card I have used to be in a slab with the Lionel Carter flip. I still have the flip somewhere.

[t206hound]

I paid MAYBE a 10% premium for this one... glad to have it:

[DixieBaseball]

With all due respect to Mr. Carter, I would not pay a 1% premium for any cardboard that has been in his collection. I view all of us as temporary holder's of cardboard. I don't see any special feat of being a holder of cardboard. The enjoyment of collecting, the history, and learning from other collector's is what I enjoy about the hobby, not who might have owned it. It does not make it any more special for me.

[oldjudge]

Corey, you make a good point. On cards where there may be a question of tampering, knowing the card has been untouched for 50+ years may be worth something. The fact that that information on a slab adds value to the card implies that people do not have confidence in the TPG they are paying to grade cards, but that is a separate issue. I also find these comments as an indirect tip of the cap to Doug Allen and the folks at Legendary Auctions. If Doug had not insisted that SGC include the Lionel Carter reference on the slabs there would be no way of telling where the cards came from ( and thus no premium). This is the value added that a good auction house can provide.

[calvindog]

When they're not committing massive fraud.

[Matthew H]

I value items that are fresh to the hobby more then famous collector provanance. Finds of old cards are getting fewer and farther between.

A few recents that come to mind: Beantown cards, Virginia's OJs, kyletexas... I tend to be be a sucker for small finds too. If something pops up with a cool story of its origin tend to want it.

Some of the cards Lionel Carter had were purchased the same way we all buy cards every day. They're just regular cards circulating around the hobby to me.

[oldjudge]

And the Black Swamp Find. Most finds add interest in the cards found. The Black Swamp Find, however, will kill the high grade E98 market.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

And the Black Swamp Find. Most finds add interest in the cards found. The Black Swamp Find, however, will kill the high grade E98 market.

Actually the market will increase while the prices will plunge. Same thing happens with very rare items when lots of them come out. Been there done that.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by tbob

Unfortunately, not true, Jeff. There are several pre-war caramel cards which have been trimmed, in authentic holders, with the Lionel Carter pedigree. I own a few myself. I think what you meant was that Lionel did not trim or alter the cards himself and I would agree with that 100%, but he may have purchased or traded for cards which had been trimmed or altered.

Bob, exactly.