This is the problem with grading...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So PSA made a mistake.

Surely you can't be serious? That was a backroom favor by some grader at PSA. As I said before, Joe O Needs to investigate this. Read that PSA thread. It's been updated. They keep finding more cards - same buyer, same seller and a bump every time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Surely you can't be serious? That was a backroom favor by some grader at PSA. As I said before, Joe O Needs to investigate this. Read that PSA thread. It's been updated. They keep finding more cards - same buyer, same seller and a bump every time.

What other cards, I can't follow the CU thread but it seemed to me they were still talking about the Shell and Havlicek only.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What other cards

This PSA 8 sold by Probstein and winning bidder was Pank21:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1230wt_1165

Magically re-appears as a PSA 9 again being sold by Probstein:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Red-Man...ht_1129wt_1165

What a lucky submitter

[Peter_Spaeth]

So since you retracted your original accusation, what's your new theory?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So since you retracted your original accusation, what's your new theory?

Pank21 (Joseph Pankiewicz) was a former grader at SGC. That much I know. He probably knows other graders that work for PSA and he's able to get bumps as backroom favors. I also know he shill his own auctions. Probstein may or may not be aware of what's going on.

Given what we know to be true, what's your theory?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Pank21 (Joseph Pankiewicz) was a former grader at SGC. That much I know. He probably knows other graders that work for PSA and he's able to get bumps as backroom favors. I also know he shill his own auctions. Probstein may or may not be aware of what's going on.

Given what we know to be true, what's your theory?

It is irresponsible to suggest on the basis of three cards, only one of which is worth any serious money, that PSA is handing out bumps as backroom favors. He probably buys lots of cards he thinks are undergraded, as do lots of people. It's a common practice. So one one of them, PSA overgraded it, the other two grades don't look that far off to me. How do you know he didn't crack them out and resubmit, which is what lots of guys are out there doing? I am not buying your conspiracy theories on the basis of three cards. Way too speculative for me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It is irresponsible to suggest on the basis of three cards, only one of which is worth any serious money, that PSA is handing out bumps as backroom favors. He probably buys lots of cards he thinks are undergraded, as do lots of people. It's a common practice. So one one of them, PSA overgraded it, the other two grades don't look that far off to me. How do you know he didn't crack them out and resubmit, which is what lots of guys are out there doing? I am not buying your conspiracy theories on the basis of three cards. Way too speculative for me.

I guess you think the PSA 8 Wagner was on the up and up too?

What about him shilling his own auction? Oh, wait a minute. It's probably another bidder with a similiar username that happens to have the same feedback.

[55koufax]

I've seen Joe up close and personal. He definitely will crack out, press corners, edges, etc., and re-submit to PSA on anything he thinks has a chance. What I learned is that SGC graders (at least back in the day) would always press corners, edges as necessary B4 grading a subbed card, whereby, PSA does absolutely nothing of the kind. That said, it makes perfect sense for P21, or anyone to practice the "art" of cracking out and re-subbing to PSA. I am guessing a multitude of collectors on this very thread do it. I admit I do...

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

They keep finding more cards - same buyer, same seller and a bump every time.

I just read the PSA thread, but I didn't see any mentions of additional cards found with the "same buyer, same seller and a bump in grade" - how many more have been uncovered beyond the original two, and which cards? I looked through Probstein's completed auctions, but came up empty there also. Thanks.