1909-11 T206 Johnny Evers

[BCauley]

He was considering sending this card in for a possible regrade or something with either PSA, SGC, or BGS in a thread he created on the Beckett forum on July 30th. Now that this card has popped up again, just over two months later, I wonder if he did in fact send it in and it came back as trimmed so he's trying to dump it. That, or I'm just spinning a conspiracy.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by BCauley

He was considering sending this card in for a possible regrade or something with either PSA, SGC, or BGS in a thread he created on the Beckett forum on July 30th. Now that this card has popped up again, just over two months later, I wonder if he did in fact send it in and it came back as trimmed so he's trying to dump it. That, or I'm just spinning a conspiracy.

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

Just like there was nothing wrong with listing the fake Ruth as real for $900 BIN. We will look at for our own an call it as we see it......DEAL WITH IT.....

[sportscardpete]

What the F- was that about?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

For the record CSA8 doesn't mean (NOT TRIMMED), it just means that CSA is either not qualified to detect alterations, OR intentionally ignores them... You've been flat out told that the card IS TRIMMED, by people who are MORE QUALIFIED than CSA to do so...

You are the one who keeps quoting that "The last 8 sold for 4k". hmmm, was that a CSA 8? F*ck NO!!! You are trying to trick unsuspecting people into believing that this card is worth 4k, by quoting a price that a PSA card sold for...So, you started the potential crossover mess for yourself..

I have no pity for you at this point, nor do I believe a rational conversation can be be had with you. In fact, I find you to be a rather despicable person....

What's the over/under on how long 'til we start getting calls from this clown's father???

[frankbmd]

I'm not sure I know what F- means.

My suggestion would be to send 100 of your raw cards to CSA for grading, then list them on Ebay simply as a CSA 5 or a CSA 7 or whatever. Start the auctions at 99 cents. In one week you will know what millions of Ebayers think of CSA. Best wishes and good luck.

[drmondobueno]

My name is Keith. I started collecting again earlier this year. Been lots of fun, entertaining, educational. A few months back I acquired a card graded a 6 by CSA. It didn't take me long to realize the card looked nice but there did not seem to be a lot of CSA holstered t206 out there. So I had the card regarded by CGS. Lo and behold.....it came back graded a 50! So it was not trimmed but it sure as h#|| was not a high-end card. Looks pretty good. glad I did not pay 8000 for it...

So maybe your card is not trimmed. From my limited experience I would suspect the card is highly overgraded at best.

Oh yeah. A word to the wise. If the experienced professional gents in this forum suspect the card is trimmed I would listen up or move on. But that's me, I guess.

Peace

[bunst]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

So I had the card regarded by CGS.
Peace

Huh?

[jimq]

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by jimq

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

Ok. nice response said. Yes i do go by Beckett price guide. And yes, i am not a saavy collector. Yes, i could gain some knowledge here. And yes, buying graded cards seems to be the best idea, preferabbly PSA,BECK, SGC.
I do not know what stuff to look for.

Hopefully we can get pass what was done and call it a dumb move. I have said those items are going to be sent in to be graded This will give some relief in this matter. Bygones be bygones.
I did contact the previous owner of the CSA and ask him questions.
Now leave me alone on ebay and i'll read these forums and learn some information.

Now onto a question- Has anyone ever bought a PSA, BEck, SGC and cross it over and have it trimmed? Like if someone was just a PSA collector.

[BleedinBlue]

I have had several sgc cards which did not cross to Psa due to trimming. Around 1%. That is the exception rather than the rule. I know others have had issues with Psa cards gettin into sgc holders. Probably at a higher rate based on the opinions on this board. However. Nearly all CSA cards are in those holders because they will not get into numbered Psa or sgc holders.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

It's SGC backwards.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

I would still use CGS before CSA....

[T206Collector]

I crossed 40 mid/hi graded T206s that had been graded by PSA into SGC holders a while back. SGC only graded 30 of them -- 9 didn't meet the minimum grade requirement, and 1 came back as "evidence trim."

I think it's okay to sell a CSA card on ebay, but you need to sell it for what it is without trying to tempt unsuspecting bidders into buying something that it is not. You should be selling CSA's opinion (whatever that's worth) on the card, and leaving your own opinions out.

Good luck with the sale!

[bundy462]

I'm with the last few responders...+1. Since when does the community tolerate scammers and thieves? This guy knows he has reprints and is selling them as authentic on eBay. I agree that the posts ought to stay on the board to expose the fraud, but stop helping the guy with responses!

Maybe some of the responders just aren't educated on the history of this bozo:

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=157391