Signed by Rocky Marciano or an elaborate hoax?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by travrosty

that looks nothing like a 69 signature and i would love to see exemplars, i think they are relying on the provenance. anyone can have a letter made up.

i doubt it marciano would sign the year next to his name, and it seems to be in sharpie or a black felt pen and they just didnt use them in the 1960's. photos and and gloves that are legit are 99.9 percent signed in ink pen. it just doesnt add up but here they go again.

I know nothing about Marciano or boxing signatures like you guys do, but love your thoughts on these. But maybe whoever got the "Marciano" wrote the date next to the signature. From signatures of anyone that have dated the item, this kind of seems off to the side from the signature, so maybe the original owner dated it to remember. Usually if the signer dates an item, it's usually closer to the signature...just my thoughts, but excited to see where this goes.

Brent

[RichardSimon]

I don't profess to be an expert on boxing but I am familiar with certain signatures. I must say that the index card with a purported Marciano signature sure looks very different from the authentic Marciano's that I have seen.
It is appropriate that it has its own personal casket.

[D. Bergin]

Jeez, if I had a nickel for every call I've gotten over the years from somebody claiming they (or their uncles, cousins, grandfathers, fathers) were buddies with Rocky and they've got the gloves (or sparring gloves) from the Walcott, Charles, Louis fights..................I'd have at least a couple bucks.


Rocky must have had a stash of gloves he gave out to anybody who asked. We all know he was a bit paranoid AND eccentric about certain things.

I wouldn't touch those gloves with a fishing pole. That index card looks horrible to. A Lou Marciano special, perhaps?

[JimStinson]

The index card is a scribbled Rocky GRAZIANO , former middleweight champ etc etc , the original collector appeared to have not been able to read it either and just pasted a pic of Marciano next to it and then who ever slabbed it just took his word for it

[Exhibitman]

What do you think JSA had to say about this one?

[JimStinson]

The white image above that on the white glove appears to be signed by Charley Goldman , Rocky's trainer.
When people would write to Rocky while he was training for a fight which was almost always Goldman would sign the stuff for him so as not to distract him from fight preparation. Goldman would sometimes do the same thing when things would be passed into the dressing room or gym. It was their job to see him CRANK out "SIT-UPS" not autographs

[JimStinson]

Like this postcard signed by Goldman, Rocky did not sign this

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Like this postcard signed by Goldman, Rocky did not sign this

Agreed, now folks compare the signed postcard to the signed gloves in post #1. Charley Goldman signed the gloves also yet they were authenticated by PSA/DNA as Rocky Marciano signatures, went to completion and sold for big money through an online auction house.



PSA/DNA letter signed by company president Joe Orlando.

Goldinauctions.com, this is who you are putting your faith in to authenticate your Rocky Marciano auction items. Are they qualified?

I can understand how you would want the signatures to be authentic but can the evidence in post #1 be ignored? Press this PSA/DNA company to supply you with any exemplars/evidence to support your items legitimacy. As a 20+ year collector of only vintage boxing autographs I can assure you it does not exist.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

The white image above that on the white glove appears to be signed by Charley Goldman , Rocky's trainer.
When people would write to Rocky while he was training for a fight which was almost always Goldman would sign the stuff for him so as not to distract him from fight preparation. Goldman would sometimes do the same thing when things would be passed into the dressing room or gym. It was their job to see him CRANK out "SIT-UPS" not autographs

When you read this from Jim you know that PSA keeps showing us the fact that they have nobody who knows boxing.