Lot #4 in Goldin Auctions Rocky Marciano gloves have been PULLED. READ

kengoldin · #1 10-26-2012, 11:06 PM

just as an FYI
I did speak to PSA and I have no issues with PSA/DNA They were very professional in the entire business and i appreciate them reaching out to me.
Please do not characterize them as not contacting me as that is not the case. You can all speak from your own experiences, but not mine

travrosty · #2 10-27-2012, 01:54 AM

they were so professional they showed you exemplars that they used when you asked for them?

when you get an oil change and change the oil filter, and ask to see the old filter to make sure they actually changed it and did the job they were paid to do and they wont show it to you, do you come back for more in the future?

you pay their salary, and they answer to you, not the other way around. are they going to get future work in your auction?

where are their exemplars used for these gloves. aren't you mad they won't show you any?

I would show any customer any exemplars they wanted to see and make them a hard copy on a flash drive fedexed to their house if they wanted it.

show just one exemplar you used, professional sports authenticators/DNA/BFF

keithsky · #3 10-27-2012, 07:47 AM

Auction companies won"t blast any authentication service like PSA or JSA because it would hurt there business. If you figure them running an auction with no item authenticated by PSA or JSA there bidders will not be there and they'll lose money. Just look at the crap on Coach's Corner and there price for the guys that authenticte there verses an auction house that has PSA or JSA autheticate items. 10 time less money there. So auction companies aren't going to say anything negative about them even if something is wrong. And to think that PSA or JSA would come on here if they authenticated something that was found not real will never happen. There not going to admit mistakes. Bad for business. They think they know more than anybody outside there company. There is some very smart experts outside of there companys and you would think maybe they would listen to some of there reasons. Like the old saying " You learn something new everyday" These comments are just my opinions and I'm sure not everyone agree.

sayhey24 · #4 10-27-2012, 09:37 AM

That's terrific that the gloves were pulled.

GREAT job by Mark for bringing this to light, and by Jim for lending his expertise.

Greg

RichardSimon · #5 10-27-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keithsky

Auction companies won"t blast any authentication service like PSA or JSA because it would hurt there business. If you figure them running an auction with no item authenticated by PSA or JSA there bidders will not be there and they'll lose money. Just look at the crap on Coach's Corner and there price for the guys that authenticte there verses an auction house that has PSA or JSA autheticate items. 10 time less money there. So auction companies aren't going to say anything negative about them even if something is wrong. And to think that PSA or JSA would come on here if they authenticated something that was found not real will never happen. There not going to admit mistakes. Bad for business. They think they know more than anybody outside there company. There is some very smart experts outside of there companys and you would think maybe they would listen to some of there reasons. Like the old saying " You learn something new everyday" These comments are just my opinions and I'm sure not everyone agree.

+1,,, I agree with you.

RichardSimon · #6 10-27-2012, 07:49 PM

"The stronge survive",, from Jim Stinson's post above.
Did you mean strong or strange??

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travrosty · #7 10-27-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by keithsky

Auction companies won"t blast any authentication service like PSA or JSA because it would hurt there business. If you figure them running an auction with no item authenticated by PSA or JSA there bidders will not be there and they'll lose money. Just look at the crap on Coach's Corner and there price for the guys that authenticte there verses an auction house that has PSA or JSA autheticate items. 10 time less money there. So auction companies aren't going to say anything negative about them even if something is wrong. And to think that PSA or JSA would come on here if they authenticated something that was found not real will never happen. There not going to admit mistakes. Bad for business. They think they know more than anybody outside there company. There is some very smart experts outside of there companys and you would think maybe they would listen to some of there reasons. Like the old saying " You learn something new everyday" These comments are just my opinions and I'm sure not everyone agree.

i do agree with you. they wont fire the people who wont show them exemplars or explain their decision when the true experts will do all those things willingly and no problem at all?

now why do auction houses continue to use the services that treat them like ship?

toybulldog · #8 10-28-2012, 03:03 AM

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now why do auction houses continue to use the services that treat them like ship?

Because they relieve themselves of the responsibility. Are they treating the auction houses like ship or are the TPA's and the auction houses together treating customers and unsuspecting buyers like ship? If no one was watching the watchers on this particular item who knows how high the false TPA added value would have brought this item up?

toybulldog · #9 10-30-2012, 07:20 PM

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an extremely well known , well respected collector and dealer in sports memorabilia for the past 25 years

What I would give to find out who that is.

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We contacted a forensic ink lab and had it verified that the ink the gloves were signed in was available since 1962

An image or posting of the examination report would be interesting also.

JimStinson · #10 10-30-2012, 07:43 PM

This thread has gone on long enough, even actor Jeff Goldblum has posted a comment on it please take 4 seconds to view his comments regarding this issue and then please lets drop it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFfN5pKzFU

toybulldog · #11 10-31-2012, 04:19 AM

When my name is mentioned in a thread I wasn't aware there would be a time limit for which I would be able to comment . If anyone would care to post on my thread be aware, there are no time constraints. Would like to dig a little deeper here but getting the impression it would rather be swept under.

Mr. Zipper · #12 10-31-2012, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by toybulldog

When my name is mentioned in a thread I wasn't aware there would be a time limit for which I would be able to comment . If anyone would care to post on my thread be aware, there are no time constraints. Would like to dig a little deeper here but getting the impression it would rather be swept under.

A dedicated thread with CAPs announcing an item has been pulled and that is "sweeping under the rug"?

I can see why you and Travis are friends. Same effervescent charm, world-class diplomacy skills and friendly writing style.

jgmp123 · #13 10-31-2012, 08:19 AM

Goldin did the right thing by pulling the item and posting here to make sure any potential bidders would be aware.

Let's not stretch this out anymore. Pretty sure the point that made. Well...actually, the point was made about 120 threads ago.

I guess all I am really trying to say is....Quit hijacking threads.

toybulldog · #14 10-31-2012, 08:29 AM

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A dedicated thread with CAPs announcing an item has been pulled and that is "sweeping under the rug"?

No, the comment...

"please lets drop it"

... in addition to the private emails I've been receiving would indicate that.

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I can see why you and Travis are friends. Same effervescent charm, world-class diplomacy skills and friendly writing style.

Your sarcasm and side of the neck comments will not deter.

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