1905 Pirates - need i.d. help

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

If you're sure the one player is McBride, then he was with the team until July 4th. So other players that could be in this pic include:

George Gibson(not likely, only 3 days separate his debut and McBride leaving)
Frank Moore(good luck finding a pic of him)
Chick Robitaille(likely in the pic)
Charlie Case, who I think is unk. 1
Harry Smith, who rarely played but was more like a bullpen catcher that couldn't stay healthy
Bill Clancy is there somewhere

The picture could be a late pre-season shot and the team cut three pitchers late that year in Spring Training, Vive Lindaman, Clyde Goodwin and a big young lefty pitcher named Holmes...it was Clarence Holmes, found some later notes, played two years for Cedar Rapids, hurt his arm, never pitched again

Thanks John - great stuff. I'm certain that's McBride, and also that Gibson is NOT in the pic (watch me be wrong!). I had Robataille pencilled in as #6 and Bull Smith as #5, so what you're saying gives me more confidence in those two guesses. Back to google....

[z28jd]

Bull Smith probably isn't there. Pirates went on a long road trip at the end of the 1904 season and they sent him home after he struggled in 13 games. He wasn't there in 1905

[bmarlowe1]

unk2 is Otto Knabe (pic to come)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

unk2 is Otto Knabe (pic to come)

Are you sure? It looks like this guy to me. Also, Lindaman was 6'1", Knabe was 5'8"

[bmarlowe1]

Scott - I think unk2 is Knabe, though the bottom of the philtrum may be slightly different. As for the guy on the Ramly card - though he has a chin cleft - he otherwise is remarkably like Knabe.

[z28jd]

Knabe and McBride WILL NOT be in the same team pic

Lindaman and Moore won't be in the same pic

If you are sure that Lindaman and McBride are both in the pic, then one of the unknowns would be Harry Smith. Smith and Moore won't be in the same pic because Smith was released to the minors, then he recommended Moore to the Pirates, who signed him in early June.

I would say if Lindaman is there, then the big dude is possibly Clarence Holmes, who was always referred to as the big lefty

[bmarlowe1]

Now I need to criticize my own ID -
If you blow it up enough the end of the nose the upper lip shape are a bit different and by measurement Knabe's ears are larger. (and z28jd's comment is well taken)

[bmarlowe1]

It seems that Scott has it right. (chin cleft probably lost in the blur)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Bull Smith probably isn't there. Pirates went on a long road trip at the end of the 1904 season and they sent him home after he struggled in 13 games. He wasn't there in 1905

John - you 'da man. That's Lindeman in position #2!