Mastro pleads guilty

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

but by him not disclosing this earlier, he left a bit of doubt.

Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.

David Hall?

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

David Hall?

LOL! Yes indeed; the last remaining holdout in the hobby.

Re-reading the O'Keeffe article about Hall below, at one point Hall allegedly said,

"We never considered that it had been altered".

There are several ways one can interpret that comment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...not-in-private

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.

While I agree with you Scott, there were more than a few people who believed this was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. How many people on this board, when the subject came up, said there was no way you could prove it was trimmed? Now it can be confirmed.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

While I agree with you Scott, there were more than a few people who believed this was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. How many people on this board, when the subject came up, said there was no way you could prove it was trimmed? Now it can be confirmed.

I now, a lot of people said that, but even before the book (and the recent confessions) came out, there was a large group of us who were 100% sure that it WAS trimmed. I was digging around in the archives six months or so ago, and found some of the old discussions - so I'm not being a hypocrite here, or revising history. It looks like there is no amount of evidence, short of an actual film showing the trimming, that will convince some people.

[ls7plus]

You know what's going to happen as long as there's big money at stake--someone's going to do whatever it takes to get at it!!!

Best, guys,

Larry

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.

Seriously. Me.

After reading the book "The Card" a couple of times, I still had reservations.

The grainy black and white photo of the card in it's "un-trimmed" state was convincing, but I couldn't wrap my brain around the logic of cutting up the only known sheet (with a Wagner and a Plank!!)of T206's into singular cards, thinking it would make him more money. And, that was the given scenario in the book, that it was cut from a sheet. I felt someone with as much knowledge about cards would've instantly known the signifigance of this "sheet", and how valuable it would've been in it's entirety. I would think far more valueable than broken down into single cards.

Now, if it wasn't cut from a sheet, or strip, I could see why he trimmed it;for financial gain. But, to cut up a sheet? Don't get that. *Not saying trimming it is right, I would've left it alone*

So, I had doubts. And, I have no problem admiting it. Based on it being cut from a sheet.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mastro purchased it already cut from the sheet and trimmed it further, as i understand it.

[Runscott]

edited - pointless post.

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

The grainy black and white photo of the card in it's "un-trimmed" state was convincing, but I couldn't wrap my brain around the logic of cutting up the only known sheet (with a Wagner and a Plank!!)of T206's into singular cards, thinking it would make him more money. And, that was the given scenario in the book, that it was cut from a sheet. I felt someone with as much knowledge about cards would've instantly known the signifigance of this "sheet", and how valuable it would've been in it's entirety. I would think far more valueable than broken down into single cards.

Wonder what holder the Plank currently resides in?

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by sylbry

Wonder what holder the Plank currently resides in?

It's hard to detect sarcasm on the Internet, but its in an A holder

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/890.html

[hammer]

Great read on the Plank, Thanks for the article.

[teetwoohsix]

So, you have the person(s) who trimmed the card,,,whether from a strip, sheet, or just from a card with large enough borders- and you have a TPG who gave it the high grade that it had. Who is more at fault here for deception & fraud? The trimmer, the grader, or both?

Yes, the Plank was given a big "A".

Sincerely, Clayton

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

So, you have the person(s) who trimmed the card,,,whether from a strip, sheet, or just from a card with large enough borders- and you have a TPG who gave it the high grade that it had. Who is more at fault here for deception & fraud? The trimmer, the grader, or both?

Yes, the Plank was given a big "A".

Sincerely, Clayton

This has to be a rhetorical question.

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

It's hard to detect sarcasm on the Internet, but its in an A holder

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/890.html

Honest question. So one card from the strip is graded an 8 while the other is an A. The only difference being one was cut from the strip with more care?

And how can PSA continue to deny the Wagner's history when they have also graded the other significant card on the strip?