Mastro pleads guilty

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.

Seriously. Me.

After reading the book "The Card" a couple of times, I still had reservations.

The grainy black and white photo of the card in it's "un-trimmed" state was convincing, but I couldn't wrap my brain around the logic of cutting up the only known sheet (with a Wagner and a Plank!!)of T206's into singular cards, thinking it would make him more money. And, that was the given scenario in the book, that it was cut from a sheet. I felt someone with as much knowledge about cards would've instantly known the signifigance of this "sheet", and how valuable it would've been in it's entirety. I would think far more valueable than broken down into single cards.

Now, if it wasn't cut from a sheet, or strip, I could see why he trimmed it;for financial gain. But, to cut up a sheet? Don't get that. *Not saying trimming it is right, I would've left it alone*

So, I had doubts. And, I have no problem admiting it. Based on it being cut from a sheet.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mastro purchased it already cut from the sheet and trimmed it further, as i understand it.

[Runscott]

edited - pointless post.

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

The grainy black and white photo of the card in it's "un-trimmed" state was convincing, but I couldn't wrap my brain around the logic of cutting up the only known sheet (with a Wagner and a Plank!!)of T206's into singular cards, thinking it would make him more money. And, that was the given scenario in the book, that it was cut from a sheet. I felt someone with as much knowledge about cards would've instantly known the signifigance of this "sheet", and how valuable it would've been in it's entirety. I would think far more valueable than broken down into single cards.

Wonder what holder the Plank currently resides in?

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by sylbry

Wonder what holder the Plank currently resides in?

It's hard to detect sarcasm on the Internet, but its in an A holder

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/890.html

[hammer]

Great read on the Plank, Thanks for the article.

[teetwoohsix]

So, you have the person(s) who trimmed the card,,,whether from a strip, sheet, or just from a card with large enough borders- and you have a TPG who gave it the high grade that it had. Who is more at fault here for deception & fraud? The trimmer, the grader, or both?

Yes, the Plank was given a big "A".

Sincerely, Clayton

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

So, you have the person(s) who trimmed the card,,,whether from a strip, sheet, or just from a card with large enough borders- and you have a TPG who gave it the high grade that it had. Who is more at fault here for deception & fraud? The trimmer, the grader, or both?

Yes, the Plank was given a big "A".

Sincerely, Clayton

This has to be a rhetorical question.

[BigRedOne]

I think PSA knowningly graded the card for the notoriety and exposure it was certain to bring the PSA brand.

There are those PSA apologists who defend this is not the case, but its hard to believe that you put your top graders and experts on one of the hobbys most valuable and iconic cards and they "miss it"

Come on now, Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Ive never bought from any of the big auction houses as I always felt they were corrupt and suspect.

The bigger issue to me is the corruption that took place with the TPGer.

John

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

This has to be a rhetorical question.

Divergent question.

Sincerely, Clayton

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

It's hard to detect sarcasm on the Internet, but its in an A holder

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/890.html

Honest question. So one card from the strip is graded an 8 while the other is an A. The only difference being one was cut from the strip with more care?

And how can PSA continue to deny the Wagner's history when they have also graded the other significant card on the strip?