O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[wolf441]

I'm sick to my stomach thinking about it. I just want to get home from work and hug my kids.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by wolf441

I'm sick to my stomach thinking about it. I just want to get home from work and hug my kids.

I would bet there will be millions of kids getting hugged this evening.

[greenmonster66]

It is most horrible and very very sad. I can't wait to hug my kids when they get home today.

[e107collector]

Very sad situation. Hearts go out to each of the victims and their families.

I don't recall seeing it on the news, but how did the shooter get into the school undetected?

Tony

[EvilKing00]

I think his mother worked in the school. It was reported that the shooter, killed his mom, IN the school


Yep just confirmed his mom was a teacher there

[g_vezina_c55]

This thing is terrible...yesterday everybody in the garage where i work stopped working too see the news at tv...yesterday was a verry sad day...

I think everyone one condoleance on the planet goes for all these familly...anyway for my part in quebec my condoleance is with all familly involved in this tragedy.

[Texxxx]

I will respect everyone that does not want to own a gun because they think they are bad. That is there right as a citizen of this country. I do have a problem when people want to stomp on my rights and other people rights!

As far as people that say that these type of killings are a US problem and Western Europe does not seem to have this problem then here you go.

Ryan, Michael Robert 1987 UK Killed 16
Borel, Eric 1995 France Killed 15
Leibacher, Friedrich 2001 Switzerland Killed 14
Dornier, Christian 1989 France Killed 14
Bird, Derrick 2010 UK Killed 12
Izquierdo, Antonio 1990 Spain Killed 9
Palić, Vinko 1993 Croatia Killed 9
Hamilton, Thomas Watt 1996 UK Killed 17
Steinhäuser, Robert 2002 Germany Killed 16
Kretschmer, Tim 2009 Germany Killed 15
Saari, Matti Juhani 2008 Finland Killed 10
Breivik, Anders Behring 2011 Norway Killed 75
Merah, Mohammed 2012 France Killed 7
Tates, Karst Roeland 2009 Netherlands Killed 7

And the list goes on.

[bigwinnerx]

I'd glady be in favor of legal guns if they were muskets. As it is, it's a system and industry that needs to be reformed and I'd be first in line for an all-out ban. "Responsible gun owner" is an oxymoron as even those supposed legal guns can still get in the hands of the deranged.

[cyseymour]

Impressive post by texxxx. There is no easy solution. Doesn't mean assault weapons shouldn't be banned. One thing I did notice is that these spate of killings in the US really started in 2009, after the economy went sour. Yes, we did have Vtech in 2007, but since 2009 began we have had nine or ten different shootings.

Most of the time, it is the same theme; the shooter is male, a loner, and socially isolated or disturbed. This suggests that the problem is technology is making us more and more isolated as human beings and that some people, particularly quiet, sensitive males, are having trouble managing the level of tension that comes with a struggling economy.

I just think that overall, the vibe has been more tense in this country the last few years. America and its communities need to come together in a warmer way and make sure that everyone feels included and valued as members of our society. And get the economy going again with government support that creates jobs and makes people feel hopeful in their future.

[sycks22]

Being an elementary teacher it's going to be tough explaining how my students should feel safe after that horrible tragedy. Kids shouldn't have to worry about violence at school now.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

Impressive post by texxxx. There is no easy solution. Doesn't mean assault weapons shouldn't be banned. One thing I did notice is that these spate of killings in the US really started in 2009, after the economy went sour. Yes, we did have Vtech in 2007, but since 2009 began we have had nine or ten different shootings.

Most of the time, it is the same theme; the shooter is male, a loner, and socially isolated or disturbed. This suggests that the problem is technology is making us more and more isolated as human beings and that some people, particularly quiet, sensitive males, are having trouble managing the level of tension that comes with a struggling economy.

I just think that overall, the vibe has been more tense in this country the last few years. America and its communities need to come together in a warmer way and make sure that everyone feels included and valued as members of our society. And get the economy going again with government support that creates jobs and makes people feel hopeful in their future.

CySeymour's second paragraph evokes a thought, not original, I have had for some time. I cannot prove it, but I cannot help but feel that an increase in the frequency of these horrid events stems somehow from a correlation between our mushrooming rate of digital connectivity and the isolation, paradoxically, it engenders in certain personality types. Social media makes it so much easier for extreme fringe elements to find each other.

[xdrx]

What we all tell our kids, especially the little ones, about this is critical. Having them fear being shot to death any time they go to school is potentially a real consequence. I know as a kid, 35 years ago, I didn't have any real fears. I can't imagine what that might be like for my 7 year old.

I'd like to be able to tell her that we (either her mom and me, or the collective "we") will be doing something so this sort of thing doesn't happen again. And again and again and again. But I'm afraid that would be a lie, as we don't seem to have the will as a people to do much of anything in that regard.

Sad day.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by xdrx

What we all tell our kids, especially the little ones, about this is critical. Having them fear being shot to death any time they go to school is potentially a real consequence. I know as a kid, 35 years ago, I didn't have any real fears. I can't imagine what that might be like for my 7 year old.

I'd like to be able to tell her that we (either her mom and me, or the collective "we") will be doing something so this sort of thing doesn't happen again. And again and again and again. But I'm afraid that would be a lie, as we don't seem to have the will as a people to do much of anything in that regard.

Sad day.

This is a horrible thing, especially when it's children.

With the recent outbreak of similar events, almost all committed by men in their '20s with a history of mental illness (I'm guessing we'll find the same to be true of this guy), I think it's pretty obvious where a good starting point is. But our country's focus is on 'deterrent' punishment and 'justice', as opposed to prevention, so I expect things will continue as-is.

[packs]

Terrible day. My sister is having her baby today and all I'm thinking about is what kind of world my nephew is coming into.

[kmac32]

What a horrible event. Society needs to start paying attention to prevent these situations. Once again an assault weapon involved. Why do individuale need these type of weapons? We do have the right to bear arms in our country but this should be within reason. Nobody needs an assault weapon for any reason.

[wazoo]

In a world where violence is admired and enjoyed by younger generations, worry really enters one's mind.

My prayers go out to those who were affected. It is so sad because now there are 26 (possibly more) human beings that can no longer, and never will be able to, contribute this the world anymore.

[Touch'EmAll]

In tears here in Canby, Oregon. We just had a shooting at one of our shopping malls. Now this. I have a 6 year old in Kindergarten.

Constitution or no Constitution, we did not have this type of thing happening back in the 1770's. The right to bear arms has to change.

Time for a STRICT GUN CONTROL/REGISTRATION/EXAM immediately - mandated by FEDERAL government to override all states. There is NO alternative choice.

Come on Obama, step up to the plate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Scott, sure, maybe in a perfect world we could identify all paranoid schizophrenics at an early age and get them the treatment they need. But in the meantime, maybe politicians for once ought to show some cojones and take assault weapons off the table and stand up to the NRA. Yeah, we know the bullshit that people kill people guns don't, but there is no reason on earth for any civilian to be able to purchase an assault weapon. And it's too damn easy to buy a regular gun in this country too.

But I am pessimistic anything will change.

[Blunder19]

My prayers go out to the victims familys

[Gecklund311]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

In tears here in Canby, Oregon. We just had a shooting at one of our shopping malls. Now this. I have a 6 year old in Kindergarten.

Constitution or no Constitution, we did not have this type of thing happening back in the 1770's. The right to bear arms has to change.

Time for a STRICT GUN CONTROL/REGISTRATION/EXAM immediately - mandated by FEDERAL government to override all states. There is NO alternative choice.

Come on Obama, step up to the plate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be a wonderful solution if we were starting a country from scratch, but we aren't. What do you propose to do with the guns already out there?

Somehow I doubt that the dirtbag gang-bangers that I see walking around Chicago will be lining up to register their guns or take an exam.

[Vintageismygame]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

In tears here in Canby, Oregon. We just had a shooting at one of our shopping malls. Now this. I have a 6 year old in Kindergarten.

Constitution or no Constitution, we did not have this type of thing happening back in the 1770's. The right to bear arms has to change.

Time for a STRICT GUN CONTROL/REGISTRATION/EXAM immediately - mandated by FEDERAL government to override all states. There is NO alternative choice.

Come on Obama, step up to the plate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the government goes as drastic as you say . . . . hang on because the blood will run in the streets.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by kmac32

What a horrible event. Society needs to start paying attention to prevent these situations. Once again an assault weapon involved. Why do individuale need these type of weapons? We do have the right to bear arms in our country but this should be within reason. Nobody needs an assault weapon for any reason.

Nothing I've read or heard mentioned an assualt weapon being used. Two hand guns were recovered at the scene - a Glock and Sig Sauer, both 9mm. There was a .223 rifle found in the back seat of a car in the parking lot, but it's believed it wasn't used in the shooting. This proves exactly what I said in the Aurora thread - when one wants to kill a mass amount of people, they don't need an assault rifle to do it.

I, too, own a 9mm hand gun. The gun came with 2 clips, I purchased 2 additional clips. Each clip holds 10 rounds. I can discharge all 4 clips (40 rounds) in about a minute. It takes literally 2 seconds to drop the empty clip and replace it with a full clip.

We don't need to focus on the method, but on the motive. What drives some loon to do something like that?

It's a very sad day. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

[Vintageismygame]

Originally Posted by kmac32

What a horrible event. Society needs to start paying attention to prevent these situations. Once again an assault weapon involved. Why do individuale need these type of weapons? We do have the right to bear arms in our country but this should be within reason. Nobody needs an assault weapon for any reason.

An assault weapon was not used!!!! One was found in his car. He used 2 handguns to commit the evil that he did. Do not demonize assault rifles just because they look "scary". I use mine to go deer, elk, boar hunting. It is one of the best guns that I have ever owned. In fact, I am buying another one tomorrow.

When the government comes knocking on your door you are gonna wish that you owned an AR.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

When the government comes knocking on your door you are gonna wish that you owned an AR.

What does that mean?

[Runscott]

Joshua, Nate, Peter, etc. - these are great posts.

Have a great weekend everyone.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

When the government comes knocking on your door you are gonna wish that you owned an AR.

What if they just send a drone to knock your house out with a missile?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

An assault weapon was not used!!!! One was found in his car. He used 2 handguns to commit the evil that he did. Do not demonize assault rifles just because they look "scary". I use mine to go deer, elk, boar hunting. It is one of the best guns that I have ever owned. In fact, I am buying another one tomorrow.

When the government comes knocking on your door you are gonna wish that you owned an AR.

That's bullshit. If you can't hunt without using an assault rifle, you aren't much of a hunter or sportsman. I suppose you also need an extra large clip in case someone tries to break into your house, right? Maybe the 28th shot is the one that gets it done? Spare me.

[Kenny Cole]

Every time one of these horrific events occurs, I wonder how much the sensationalization of the last horrific event contributed to the occurrence of the current one. I suspect when the shooter's house is searched, they will find that the shooter read up on, studied, and attempted to learn from, Columbine and the many other mass tragedies that have occurred since then. IMO, with respect to things like this, lots of press coverage and easy access to information via the internet is like a cookbook for psychopaths.

As many others have said, this type of thing is just unfathomable to me. I simply don't understand what could possibly cause a young man to become so disturbed or so filled with hate that he would kill his own mother and young children he probably didn't even know simply because (I presume) they were in the same room with her. My prayers go out to the families of all those affected by this senseless tragedy and, like many others, I will go home, hug my 11 y/o, and give thanks for all the blessings in my life for a long time tonight.

[novakjr]

The Chardon shootings last year were very close to where I live, very sad, and very disturbing.. However, there did seem to be motive there, in regards to the students actions. While senseless, there was still sense to me made of it.. This one is completely confusing, why small children?

My heart goes out to those in CT, and everywhere else that has fallen victim to these random acts of violence lately..

[E93]

Originally Posted by wolf441

I'm sick to my stomach thinking about it. I just want to get home from work and hug my kids.

+1

So sad!
JimB