PSA/DNA and boxing just don't mix.

[travrosty]

i would like to know too. i have seen kearns sign for dempsey so contracts not necessarily iron clad just because they are contracts.

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i would like to know too. i have seen kearns sign for dempsey so contracts not necessarily iron clad just because they are contracts.

As is the case with this 1949 alleged Joe Louis signed contract. Louis' signature is in the hand of his manager Marshall miles but is "authenticated" by guess who?





Here are some authentic Joe Louis signatures from 1949 along with the year prior and the year after. Did Joe Louis' signature change on this one particular day in 1949 so it could be authentic for one of PSA's loyal customers or for one of PSA's auction houses that promotes their services?



Pathetic, inept, fraud, all of the above?

[travrosty]

let me guess, steve grad , psa again?

the joe louis experts for sure.

[travrosty]

2 hours left and the bonavena contract still up on ebay with 151 dollar bid.

a friend of mine asked me about it and how much he should bid. i told him the truth. he thanked me and said that he was glad he knew me and saved himself some money.

the emr's and supposedly ebay know about this travesty and it is still up and my bet all along was that it will go all the way to completion and sell.

what a waste. people have the ability to do something about it but won't.

[Plinvestments]

These emr's must be compensated well or why would they do it. Its greed all around.

[travrosty]

everything is all about the cash. if it was about the autographs, these autographs would be taken down.

[toybulldog]

Blow taps for another unsuspecting buyer. It's about protecting an image by turning ones head the other way, a double standard. Reminds me of a certain college football program which chose a similar path recently, but this is only autographs. Ebay was forwarded the information well in advance of the auction close. This is what is going on in our hobby people, FBI, Bureau of Consumer Protection take note. Press for answers.

[travrosty]

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[travrosty]

a non certified mickey mantle that they dont like is off ebay in 30 minutes? "poof" they say, its gone. they arent sending exemplars with their emails, just "here is a bad one"


i let them know two days ago and this bonavena sold, and there are multiple exemplars. it just happen to have a favored cert with it, that was totally a coincidence i suppose.

meanwhile wife signed sonny liston with the cert is still up there also and that was over a week ago they were notified. where's the "poof"?

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

These emr's must be compensated well or why would they do it. Its greed all around.

EMRs are volunteers who can report items within their area of expertise. They are paid nothing.

But please... Let's continue to pound on volunteers who spend hours of their personal time removing thousands of fakes from eBay every week. They should all be condemned because this item didn't get removed for whatever reason.

[travrosty]

its not "whatever reason", it is because it is a protected psa certed item, and we all know it.

you are defending the status quo, and the status quo stinks.

start volunteering to pull a bad psa or jsa item. it won't happen though.

the last couple of days there is nothing anyone could do to get this one pulled. it's not just "whatever", like it was some glitch. it wasn't a glitch.

it was on purpose, emr's didnt want to report it, and the rest of us who did report it. WITH PROOF, watched it go to sale for a quarter of a grand, because ebay isn't interested in pulling items that have a protected cert from one of their buddies.

its the buddy-buddy system that has been plaguing the hobby for years, and continues because people just chalk it up to "whatever reason" that's code word for PSA and JSA certs get special treatment. The family and friends program.

I had an emr specifically ask me for the boxing fakes so he can report them and help get them off ebay, until i reported psa and jsa items, then he wasn't interested, said he didn't have time, couldn't take 10 seconds to forward my email to ebay, and this had proof with exemplars. So don't make it some type of glitch. I also sent him the bad Sonny Liston PSA signed photo, it's still up too.

why don't you have a problem with this unfair protectionism? Don't you want it fair and ALL fakes taken off ebay? There is a fake joe louis with jsa and its been there a year and we can't get it down by reporting it.