Memory Lane Plank

Runscott · #1 12-19-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

Big difference in the presentation of the 150 series vs. 350 series. This is true of all T206's not just the Plank, the 150's have much bolder color and better registration. I would image the plates/stones being new and fresh contributed to this as well as this being a new issue, more attention to detail was paid. By the 350 series, T206 printing volume was probably up, inking was stretched further and the result was an inferior product.

Can you show us some examples? I know it's true for Plank, but for others I have seen plenty of 350's that look just as clean as the 150's - meaning the plates weren't suffering much, or had been re-created. Also, weren't the same plates used for Coupons? If that's true, they should have all looked like hell.

sb1 · #2 12-20-2012, 06:27 AM

Scott,

Kind of hard to show without comparisons of each card, but in the old days when dealers had multiple cards of each player in an album, you could pick the 150's out very easily, always deeper color and a sharper look. I once won a bet with a dealer that I could differentiate the two series from the front only and after only 2 pages in the binder he conceded. And, it's a abit hard to do on the internet unless the cards all in one scan, where each one is displayed next to one another and not random scans from multiple sources.

As to the Coupon cards, I would say most of those do not have the sharpness of the 150 series T206's and we do see that by 1919 type 3 Coupon they were very washed out looking.

bbcard1 · #3 12-20-2012, 07:06 AM

I have to admit a bit of shock at the ML plank price. My pockets are not deep enough to make a play for that kind of whale, but that one seems like a real buy.

jhs5120 · #4 12-20-2012, 08:14 AM

I think it had a lot to do with when the auction ended. I've never seen an auction with an initial bidding deadline of Saturday at 7:00 PM. A Saturday right before Christmas none-the-less. I picked up a couple nice cards that auction for prices 20-30% what they have sold for previously. If I were the consigner, I'd be pissed.

Runscott · #5 12-20-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sb1

Scott,

Kind of hard to show without comparisons of each card, but in the old days when dealers had multiple cards of each player in an album, you could pick the 150's out very easily, always deeper color and a sharper look. I once won a bet with a dealer that I could differentiate the two series from the front only and after only 2 pages in the binder he conceded. And, it's a abit hard to do on the internet unless the cards all in one scan, where each one is displayed next to one another and not random scans from multiple sources.

As to the Coupon cards, I would say most of those do not have the sharpness of the 150 series T206's and we do see that by 1919 type 3 Coupon they were very washed out looking.

I'm thinking you have a really good eye

, but you must be correct about this.

I also get what you're saying about showing 2 cards from the same source.

steve B · #6 12-20-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Can you show us some examples? I know it's true for Plank, but for others I have seen plenty of 350's that look just as clean as the 150's - meaning the plates weren't suffering much, or had been re-created. Also, weren't the same plates used for Coupons? If that's true, they should have all looked like hell.

I'm almost certain the plates were redone between the 150 and 350 runs. There are likely some holdovers where already printed 150's were run with 350 backs but only a few. The same probably happened between 350 and 460 runs too.

They really would have been redone for the coupons and other related sets, since the stones were expensive and the plates don't store well. Stones were typically resurfaced and reused for other jobs. The masters that were used to make the layout transfers would have been retained for some time.

Steve B

Runscott · #7 12-20-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I'm almost certain the plates were redone between the 150 and 350 runs. There are likely some holdovers where already printed 150's were run with 350 backs but only a few. The same probably happened between 350 and 460 runs too.

They really would have been redone for the coupons and other related sets, since the stones were expensive and the plates don't store well. Stones were typically resurfaced and reused for other jobs. The masters that were used to make the layout transfers would have been retained for some time.

Steve B

Thanks, Steve. I'm curious to see more detail about how the layout transfers were made, and how those were used to surface the stones. For cards like the Wagner and Donlin/seated, they are practically colorized photos with very little artistic license involved, but the Matty White Cap was obviously 'freehanded' quite a bit.

Jlighter · #8 12-20-2012, 09:29 AM

I was looking at some of my cards, you maybe right with this 350 vs. 150 thing.

sb1 · #9 12-20-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jlighter

I was looking at some of my cards, you maybe right with this 350 vs. 150 thing.

It's possible, while I am no T206 guru, I have handled a few.

RCMcKenzie · #10 12-20-2012, 02:02 PM

t206sov350doolan.jpg t213-3doolan.jpg

Here is a t206 sov 350 and a t213-3 cropped from the same scan. Both cards were scanned through a penny sleeve and top loader.

wonkaticket · #11 12-20-2012, 06:04 PM

Regarding Plank agree with Scott 100% that 150 series cards will always look better than the 350�s although there are a handful of nice looking 350�s that have been offered.

In terms of any 150 vs. 350 I�m 95% in agreement with Scott here too. Although I will say that it isn�t always the case many times 350�s will look better than 150�s. Heck even 150's can be off compared to other 150's. I really think it�s a bit of the old luck of the draw. But for the most part if you toss a pile of T206�s on the table there will be more sharp 150�s compared to 350�s. However with anything there exceptions that can be shown.

I tried to dig thru my limited stock to post some you can judge for yourself. Tried to keep apples to apples as much as I could�sorry for the bad scans my scanner is on the fritz...using cheap one.

Cheers,

John

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