OT: No One Elected to the Hall?

CMIZ5290 · #1 01-09-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tbob

According to ESPN today, Dale Murphy will not get enough votes to even stay on the ballot for next year, much less ever make it in to the Hall. Hard to imagine Billy Williams in the Hall and Dale Murphy not.
I predict Biggio and Piazza get in with Jack Morris close. That's it. No Raines, Walker, Palmeiro, Clemens,Trammell, Bonds, Sosa, Lee Smith, Edgar Martinez or Schilling.

+1

Jlighter · #2 01-09-2013, 01:02 PM

SHUTOUT, only the Eighth Time. First since 1996.

Biggio got 68 percent.

EvilKing00 · #3 01-09-2013, 01:14 PM

biggo 68.2, Bonds 36.2 , Clemens 37.6 , Mike Piazza 57.8, Curt Schilling 38.8

jcmtiger · #4 01-09-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilKing00

biggo 68.2, Bonds 36.2 , Clemens 37.6 , Mike Piazza 57.8, Curt Schilling 38.8

Jack Morris 67+ percent. Has 1 more year left

Joe

novakjr · #5 01-09-2013, 01:18 PM

I think we're gonna see a big induction next year. Maddux, Glavine and Thomas all go in 1st ballot. Biggio and Piazza get in next year as well(I think they were both 1st ballot sanbagged), Bagwell may go in(so that he and Biggio go in together).. I think Morris has pretty much peaked. I don't think he gets in next year.

Mussina and Kent will probably be the only 1st timers for next year, to stay on the ballot.

sportscardpete · #6 01-09-2013, 01:24 PM

I'm against PED use, but I still find it weird Biggio ends up with almost twice the vote as Bonds. Just my two cents.

BearBailey · #7 01-09-2013, 01:25 PM

Just another reason to never step foot in the Baseball HOF!

EvilKing00 · #8 01-09-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BearBailey

Just another reason to never step foot in the Baseball HOF!

yea im feeling the same way - this is a joke. The Best PLAYERS of the era are supposed to be in. Its History. Not suposed to be a popularity contest. Damn cobb would never get in today i guess.

insidethewrapper · #9 01-09-2013, 01:26 PM

I think the best of each era should get in. The best 1% of each era. You can't compare 19th Century players with current players or Deadball era vs live ball era.
The ballpark you play in is also a "big" factor. Jack Morris in Tiger Stadium, Babe Ruth or any left hand hitting Yankee at the short right field fence. I think under 300 feet ! Even now Granderson hitting over 40 in New York.

How about players with "Tommy John Surgery ". Do they have an unfair advantage over players without the surgery ? Will they be banned in the future ? After the surgery, many are much better pitchers and throw with greater velocity because they physically changed their body.

autograf · #10 01-09-2013, 01:28 PM

Guess 3000 hit's isn't the first ballot barometer......or are there questions about Biggio and PED's? Surprised at the low number for all the PED guys. Gonna be a long time (if ever) for them...........

insidethewrapper · #11 01-09-2013, 01:29 PM

The sign in Cooperstown states :" The Birthplace of Baseball ". We know that is a lie. Also Abner Doubleday is not the inventor of baseball. another lie which Cooperstown is based. So you can lie, but not gamble or take steroids. I think that is interesting.

EvilKing00 · #12 01-09-2013, 01:31 PM

I think that there should be a "new HOF" run by someone else who understands baseball and how history needs to be written.

Piratedogcardshows · #13 01-09-2013, 01:32 PM

Clemens and Schilling get more votes than Bonds?He will never get in.

Touch'EmAll · #14 01-09-2013, 01:38 PM

This day was needed to help send a message to all of America's youth and currently pro athletes - "Don't do it, its not right, and it will not be tolerated."

Had Clemens and Bonds got in, it would have sent a terribly wrong message to all our kids of today.

Now that the message has been sent, perhaps they will get into the Hall in another year. We'll see.

p.s. I will always toot my horn for Roger Maris and Bo Jackson - I can give many reasons they should be in the Hall. Fewer reasons they should not.

bcbgcbrcb · #15 01-09-2013, 02:19 PM

Am I the only one that thinks Frank Thomas was a "monster" hitter?

yanks12025 · #16 01-09-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I think the best of each era should get in. The best 1% of each era. You can't compare 19th Century players with current players or Deadball era vs live ball era.
The ballpark you play in is also a "big" factor. Jack Morris in Tiger Stadium, Babe Ruth or any left hand hitting Yankee at the short right field fence. I think under 300 feet ! Even now Granderson hitting over 40 in New York.

How about players with "Tommy John Surgery ". Do they have an unfair advantage over players without the surgery ? Will they be banned in the future ? After the surgery, many are much better pitchers and throw with greater velocity because they physically changed their body.

It is not under 300 feet.

z28jd · #17 01-09-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

I think we're gonna see a big induction next year. Maddux, Glavine and Thomas all go in 1st ballot. Biggio and Piazza get in next year as well(I think they were both 1st ballot sanbagged), Bagwell may go in(so that he and Biggio go in together).. I think Morris has pretty much peaked. I don't think he gets in next year.

I figured Morris would at least jump up to 70-72% range, then get in next year. Now I'm not 100% sure with Glavine, Maddux and Thomas on the ballot. There may be too many names on the ballot for him to get in next year. Morris might finish just short in his last season, even with the usual push and while I disagree with him not being in, I could definitely see it happening due to a crowded ballot.

I'm shocked Piazza got so many votes, just shows what little evidence voters are basing their steroid judgement on as if the Mitchell report caught every player using. A 62nd round draft pick as the all-time HR leader for catchers (but he had the 20th most games played at the position)doesn't raise eyebrows?

Biggio has some questionable seasons in there too, a huge jump in homers at age 27 in 1993, then a career high in HR's at age 39? plus being teammates with the accused by some Bagwell, Luis Gonzalez and Ken Caminiti all in 1993? Also with the 93 Astros, Chris Donnells, named in Mitchell report.

Some voters are just blind to their own reasoning, not voting for players accused but assuming others are clean just because a half-assed report didn't name them, as if there were only two people dealing steroids in the 90's and if they didn't know you, you couldn't get them. Apparently baseball writers are also judges and the jury(not talking about stats here either)

EvilKing00 · #18 01-09-2013, 01:57 PM

if the "HOF" thinks current players arent doing HGH now (since there is no test) and once there is a test for HGH they wont find another PED to improve their game, then they arent paying attention.

Its about being the best and doing everything to get an advantage. Jeter faking getting hit by a pitch, trying to get a little more pine tar on your bat, spitting on your next pitch, downing a can of red bull before your next at bat.

Its time to judge the players numbers - if you want to go back into the HOF and pick at players for doing drugs, or "cheeting" and kicking guys out for it , there will be not many left in your museum

Tom Hufford · #19 01-09-2013, 02:06 PM

Just stop and think how great baseball really is - have you ever, EVER heard of or read a discussion - or criticism - of who was or wasn't elected to the FOOTBALL or BASKETBALL Halls of Fame?

itjclarke · #20 01-09-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by z28jd

I'm shocked Piazza got so many votes, just shows what little evidence voters are basing their steroid judgement on as if the Mitchell report caught every player using. A 62nd round draft pick as the all-time HR leader for catchers (but he had the 20th most games played at the position)doesn't raise eyebrows?

Completely agree, Piazza seems very suspicious.

Regarding Bonds, he was the only 400 400 man in baseball history before season's end 1998. He had also won 8 GG and 3 MVPs, all prior to when Game of Shadows (which should not be taken as fact) alleged he started using. I'm not a Bonds lover, but think it will be absurd if he and Clemens do not eventually make the Hall.

Robextend · #21 01-09-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

Regarding Bonds, he was the only 400 400 man in baseball history before season's end 1998, as well as had won 8 GG and 3 MVPs, all prior to when Game of Shadows (which should not be taken as fact) alleged he started using. I'm not a Bonds lover, but think it will be absurd if he and eventually Clemens do not make the Hall.

How do you really know when Bonds took his first steroid? Maybe he started in the late 80's...maybe early 90's? The fact that he took at all brings his whole career into question.

HOF Auto Rookies · #22 01-09-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Robextend

How do you really know when Bonds took his first steroid? Maybe he started in the late 80's...maybe early 90's? The fact that he took at all brings his whole career into question.

You could go the other way and say how do you know if he took any. Remember people tend to forget that he never got "caught."

EvilKing00 · #23 01-09-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robextend

How do you really know when Bonds took his first steroid? Maybe he started in the late 80's...maybe early 90's? The fact that he took at all brings his whole career into question.

though we all know bonds did it - he never failed a test

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