Brooklyn CDV

Runscott · #1 01-15-2013, 12:47 PM

Paul Messier has a list of "certain people" who pester him?

Given all the publicity this cdv has generated, I suggest that Troy print up some glossies of himself and carry them around, along with a gold Sharpie.

Saco River Auction · #2 01-15-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Paul Messier has a list of "certain people" who pester him?

Given all the publicity this cdv has generated, I suggest that Troy print up some glossies of himself and carry them around, along with a gold Sharpie.

For three easy payments of $39.95, I will send you one of those glossies with a personal message....and free shipping.

Runscott · #3 01-15-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saco River Auction

For three easy payments of $39.95, I will send you one of those glossies with a personal message....and free shipping.

Seriously Troy, good luck with the auction. The recent statement you got from Paul sounds fantastic.

And I did speak with someone in the coffee shop today, who knows nothing about photography or antiques, and he had heard about this photo.

Saco River Auction · #4 01-15-2013, 02:13 PM

Thanks Scott, I hope it does well.

drc · #5 01-15-2013, 03:29 PM

As a photo historian, I can say that Paul Messier is one of the most prominent photo conservators in the world and he most definitely could tell the difference between an albumen print and a digital reproduction. I knew who he was long before this thread started.

Saco River Auction · #6 01-15-2013, 03:37 PM

After speaking with the owners of Saco River Auction and the owner of SGC I have your answer.

Firstly SGC has stated that as long as this item is not removed from the holder, SGC will stand behind the item(there Guarantee is listed online)100%. They are not willing to open themselves up to potential problems by cards being broken out of the holder, possibly switched or tampered with, alleged experts of the buyers choice, rendering their own opinion six months or even a year down the road, and other potential problems. They are convinced that the work they did was justified and righteous and this is authentic.

Saco River Auction's official stance on this is the same as all of our other auctions. This card has been authenticated by two of the best companies around and we know this card is real. However we also are not comfortable with potential bad deeds that can take place after the card is out of our control and out of the holder..Instances such as buyers remorse, unqualified opinions from other experts, switched cards and more. Auction houses have items authenticated, because we are not the experts on this type of item. Therefore the guarantee must always rest with the authenticators, SGC, PSA, JSA etc. Our sale on February 6 and all sales after and prior to, are as is where is with no warranties or guarantees. We are not going to change our company policy for one item(although a fantastic item) out of the thousands of items we sell. This would open the door for literally tens of thousands of items that we sell every year.

I would hope that this would not dissuade any bidders on this, but this card has been proven to be a real 19th century albumen and we are happy to sell it.

Troy

Matthew H · #7 01-15-2013, 03:42 PM

It sounds like if the winner opens the slab to test the binder they're SOL if its not legit?

Jacklitsch · #8 01-15-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew H

It sounds like if the winner opens the slab to test the binder they're SOL if its not legit?

That's it in a nutshell.

oldjudge · #9 01-15-2013, 04:12 PM

So Troy what you are saying is that if the binder is tested as to whether it is period, and it is found not to be, the card is not returnable even though it has then been proven to be a fake? While I think that Paul Messier is extremely knowledgeable about 19th century photographs I believe that SGC's knowledge is limited, at best, and I believe that their opinion relating to this piece is virtually worthless. Would you allow Mr Messier to test the binder(assuming he can test it to see if it is period)? If it turns out not to be period then the card is returnable for a full refund.

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