Piedmont, Liggett & Myers, and ATC: A Clarification

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by canjond

One other interesting thing to note with the "Directory of Cigarette Brands, 1864-1988" information posted. As it relates to Piedmont, I believe the date 1905 relates to the start of the brand. I also believe the Liggett & Myers designation relates to who controlled the brand post- break-up of the ATC (I could be incorrect, but I was unable to find page vi to verify (not sure if you have access to it)).

Hi John, I was able to find another copy of "Directory of Cigarette Brands, 1864-1988" that contains Page VI.

It says that the Manufactures "... are generally the most recent manufacturer of the brand."

Best Regards,
Craig

[White Borders]

Hi Ted,

Thanks for your posts. I noticed on the Fact 42 postcard it says "Home of Chesterfield". Correct me if I'm wrong, but Chesterfield wasn't an ATC brand and L&M introduced it shortly after the ATC breakup? Am I starting to catch on?

Best Regards,
Craig

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by White Borders

Hi Ted,

Thanks for your posts. I noticed on the Fact 42 postcard it says "Home of Chesterfield". Correct me if I'm wrong, but Chesterfield wasn't an ATC brand and L&M introduced it shortly after the ATC breakup? Am I starting to catch on?

Best Regards,
Craig

Craig

The origin of the Chesterfield brand is 1873 (Drummond Tobacco Company of St. Louis). It was named after a County in Virginia.

In 1898, James Buchanan Duke (ATC) bought the Drummond company; and, Liggett & Myers became part of Duke's trust in 1899.
ATC continued to produce Chesterfield cigarettes until the ATC divesture in 1911, in which this brand became an L & M product.

What I'm not sure of....is why the Chesterfield brand was not a part of the T206 scenario ?


T-Rex TED

[Rob D.]

Ted,

Which building is the tobacco plant in the Richmond postcard?

Thanks.

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Which building is the tobacco plant in the Richmond postcard?

I'm pretty sure it's the brown one on the far right with the smokestack. That area is known as Tobacco row. I believe the old tobacco factories in Richmond have been converted the into condos/apartments. Here's a link to some of the properties. I have no clue whether any of these are the original Piedmont factory.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

I'm pretty sure it's the brown one on the far right with the smokestack. That area is known as Tobacco row. I believe the old tobacco factories in Richmond have been converted the into condos/apartments. Here's a link to some of the properties. I have no clue whether any of these are the original Piedmont factory.

Thanks, Jason.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

I'm pretty sure it's the brown one on the far right with the smokestack. That area is known as Tobacco row. I believe the old tobacco factories in Richmond have been converted the into condos/apartments. Here's a link to some of the properties. I have no clue whether any of these are the original Piedmont factory.

Hi Jason,

I don't believe the brick building with the smoke stack, on the right of the postcard, was American Tobacco. The view of the city on the postcard would have been from the Manchester side of the James river looking back across at downtown Richmond. The major tobacco factories were located in the Shockoe Bottom area of the city which isn't pictured in the postcard. As you said many of the old factories and tobacco buildings in this area have been converted into apartments/lofts/condos.

[t206blogcom]

Hi Tim,

I respectfully disagree. Manchester is south of Richmond on the other side of the James. This picture is as if you're looking N/NE across the James River. You are correct that the majority of the old tobacco factories were located in Shockoe Bottom, which is on the far right of this postcard and within site from Manchester.

Jason

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The origin of the Chesterfield brand is 1873 (Drummond Tobacco Company of St. Louis). It was named after a County in Virginia.

For what it's worth, Chesterfield is also a city in Virginia, south of Richmond, north of Petersburg.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

For what it's worth, Chesterfield is also a city in Virginia, south of Richmond, north of Petersburg.

Jason

Very true. Thanks for identifying the old Factory #25 in my postcard of the Richmond waterfront on the James River. I should've placed a pointer to identify the building.

Incidently, the postmark on this p/c is dated Oct 8, 1908, Richmond, VA.

Thanks,

TED Z

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Thanks for identifying the old Factory #25 in my postcard of the Richmond waterfront on the James River. I should've placed a pointer to identify the building.

Thanks,

TED Z

No worries, Ted. I figured that you meant to do that.

Rob

[Blitzu]

Here's a price list from 1897 for Drmond brand tobacco. You can Chesterfield's came 10 to a pack. This list is one of my favorite Drummond pieces.

Ted, good question regarding chesterfield, but here's a theory... As you can see by the prices even in 1897, Chesterfield's cost 2 times per cigarette than their Drum line. Maybe Chesterfields were targeting an upper class that were turned off by baseball cards or other advertisments. Maybe they consider it their "luxury" line of cigarettes.

[canjond]

Originally Posted by White Borders

Hi John, I was able to find another copy of "Directory of Cigarette Brands, 1864-1988" that contains Page VI.

It says that the Manufactures "... are generally the most recent manufacturer of the brand."

Best Regards,
Craig

So this makes sense then that L&M would be listed. I believe L&M controlled Piedmont (after the break-up) until the brand was discontinued.