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Old 02-20-2013, 09:23 AM
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Last summer I took in a Ruth ball with a JSA cert. The auto looked horrible upon first inspection, and I couldn't believe it was certed. The JSA cert was laminated, and as I looked at it, it just didn't feel right. I tore the lamination apart and sure enough the cert was fake. They even went as far as to laminate two pieces of paper together and place a thin one in between with a fake watermark on it. Cut out a fake little sticker for the front, etc. Of course they used the same cert number as a real Ruth ball so when you look it up online it matches. It would have fooled a majority of non experienced autograph collectors. I was sure to forward all of the evidence on to JSA so that they were aware that someone is faking there certs. I don't think the individual I was dealing with was the person who made it, I think he was duped by someone else.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:32 PM
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Thanks for the responses. I have the card company listening to my concerns about this auto, but if there is someone in this forum experienced enough to describe what is suspicious about this auto...it would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, the card company is going to rely on the JSA cert.

Thanks guys!
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:03 PM
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You should probably ask them to verify the cert is real. Then I would point them to this thread and let them know the level of experienced collectors there are on this forum.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:33 PM
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The JSA cert has been verified to be legitmate, but obviously, that doesn't mean that the auto is good. I've been told that there are some very experienced Ruth collectors in this forum, so I'm hoping someone can give me some specifics as to what's suspicious about this auto. Again, thanks for the help and any insight is greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:17 PM
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can we see the jsa cert?
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:12 PM
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I don't have the cert...but the card company does. But again, this card company has been around for a long time and is very reputable, so I'm confident that JSA has certified this auto, but I'm not sure that the auto is legit.

For anyone that is well versed in Ruth auto's, please let me know what you think about this auto. If suspicious, please let me know what exactly you think is problematic with the auto.

Thanks Again!
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:29 PM
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Why are you so concerned with what's wrong with the autograph, but are being so secretive about everything...who is the card company? How much are they asking? What is cert #?
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:35 AM
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I don't have the cert...but the card company does. But again, this card company has been around for a long time and is very reputable, so I'm confident that JSA has certified this auto, but I'm not sure that the auto is legit.

For anyone that is well versed in Ruth auto's, please let me know what you think about this auto. If suspicious, please let me know what exactly you think is problematic with the auto.

Thanks Again!
This line always scares me... Especially when big brother is watching and 2+2=5...

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Vague???

I've explained the entire situation. If I had the cert I would post it. This very reputable card company assured me that it's JSA certified.

And for those asking why I don't list the card companies name....it's to protect myself. If I came in here blasting this card company, what leverage would that leave me with? Remember, I'm still waiting for the replacement card. As it stands, I'm out a lot of $$, with no Ruth auto card to show for it. The card company agreed to show me the replacement auto before puting it in a card....and that is where the auto (photo'd) comes from. They have assured me that it's JSA certified...and it would be crazy for them to falsify that (simply wouldn't do it).

Like I said, I'm new here, so maybe there underlying circumstances that I'm not familiar...but set ups?? Really?? Why in the world would I make this story up?
I try to stay out of things where I end up needing to post my name but going to give my opinion here... You should have no problem giving us the information, you're not protecting yourself or anyone "holding the name", I personally believe your intent is to deceive and you want Net54 to tell you exactly what is wrong with your forgery so you can forge another, better one and ask again. I've seen a lot of companies deal with replacements, Panini, Topps, UD - NONE OF THEM EVER gives a photograph of what they are replacing it with LET ALONE ask you if you think the autograph is good prior to it going in the card, they simply replace it (so you're telling me over hundreds and thousands of replacements they gave you priority and special treatment? I think not). There is no JSA cert on this auto, there never will be. I'm not even familiar with Ruth and even I can tell you it is a piss ass poor forgery.

You don't have a photo of this "previous" card, and your photograph is taken with a low quality camera, all the card companies have much more expensive cameras that would take better pictures (even though they didn't provide you with this one)

And you're right, it would be crazy of them to falsify statements, but I highly doubt it is them - I don't even think they are involved, I think it is you. Your photo is piss poor and comes from a cell phone. I'd suggest leaving and not coming back. The only reason you would argue with some of the most knowledgeable collector's in the hobby is because you already knew the answer (your forgery, not a card companies). Leave and don't come back.


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