Commy Comiskey 1887 Old Judge PSA 2 (MK)

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

Yes I am reading up on this player and I understand he did a lot for the game of baseball, maybe I do not see the whole picture yet but yes I am reading up on him myself (I do not own a specific book about this player).

I purchased about 10 baseball books in the last 2 weeks and learning a lot. Finished the books on Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth and Christy Mathewson (Learned he died later in life from complications from the war effort...chemical weapons) and now reading about Walter Johnson then it will be Hugh Duffy. I also read the book called T206 The Monster.

Looking forward to reading Cap Anson's book.

Please do not say I am not doing my own work I simply have yet to get to reading in detail about this specific player.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Zone91

bn2cardz

Yes I am reading up on this player and I understand he did a lot for the game of baseball, maybe I do not see the whole picture yet but yes I am reading up on him myself (I do not own a specific book about this player).

I purchased about 10 baseball books in the last 2 weeks and learning a lot. Finished the books on Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth and Christy Mathewson (Learned he died later in life from complications from the war effort...chemical weapons) and now reading about Walter Johnson then it will be Hugh Duffy. I also read the book called T206 The Monster.

Looking forward to reading Cap Anson's book.

Please do not say I am not doing my own work I simply have yet to get to reading in detail about this specific player.

Adrian I commend you on your enthusiasm and I'm impressed with the number of books you have read in the last two weeks.

I've been reading Crazy '08 since Christmas! Half way thru it..... I usually muster about 2 paragraphs each night before I konk out.

It's been interesting to follow your journey the last couple of weeks or so. I don't recall anyone yet giving you the advice "it's a marathon, not a sprint". That advice is usually given to people who are chasing the monster, but I think it applies to alot of things.

Tony

[Zone91]

tonyo

I appreciate your comment very much!!! I am use to reading a lot but before baseball it was mostly science books (the last 10 years or so of my life I would read about 1-2 books a week and the long long books maybe 1 a month).

I would say I read a minimum of 50 books a year now my OCD (Obsesive compulsive disorder) has been focused on the history of baseball. I truly love reading and learning.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Zone91

tonyo

I appreciate your comment very much!!! I am use to reading a lot but before baseball it was mostly science books (the last 10 years or so of my life I would read about 1-2 books a week and the long long books maybe 1 a month).

I would say I read a minimum of 50 books a year now my OCD (Obsesive compulsive disorder) has been focused on the history of baseball. I truly love reading and learning.

One book I read (more quickly than Crazy '08) when I started collecting pre-war is "The Celebrant" - by recommendation of the board.

Also, and I think someone has suggested this to you, The Glory of Their Times - both the book and the audio version.


Take it easy....

Tony

[Zone91]

tonyo

I have ordered the glory of their times and I will also look into the other one. I love knowing there is SO much to learn it is great for my mind.

[AMBST95]

Zone,

It's just kind of weird for someone to not know much about baseball history on a forum developed for hardcore baseball card collectors. I too would recommend using google for a lot of the basic historical questions.

I don't discourage questions about cards, like your initial question of did anyone win this card, but adding a reason to know why is helpful. Do you think the pricing is unfair on this because VCP shows XYZ? Do you feel it was misgraded and why? Just asking if someone won one of a million cards on eBay really adds little to the conversation.

Then comparing his playing stats to Jeter's and basing this on his hall of fame credentials shows a real lack of knowledge of the game AND the ability to find simple answers on the internet. You don't need to be a Comiskey expert to learn why he was inducted in to the hall in 5 minutes with a web browser.

Again, I feel discussion on the cards is great. My advice to you would be to do the cursory research first, then ask your question. Otherwise, you're going to get eaten alive on these forums by some of the more senior and knowledgable members. I think the issue has not been the number of new posts, but their lack of substance at times.

I hope the advice helps and I wish you the best in your collecting,

Ambst95

[Zone91]

AMBST95

Just started liking baseball last year when I turned 32 (I mean the whole world knows about Mickey Mantle: 536 home runs and Babe Ruth: 714 home runs....but not Tris Speaker, Tim Keefe or Hugh Duffy for example) I knew all the names of the famous players from 1909 onward but never ever learned the ones before that date....here in Canada it is ALL about hockey unless you live in Toronto...where I live no one talks about baseball at all never and that is why I know nothing about the golden age of the game. I only compare using new players because I have NO idea what good stats looked like back in those days.

Here in Canada 99% of the time when you start talking about baseball people simply just change subjects after a few minutes.

If you want to talk hockey then I know all the stats by heart almost of every player since 1952. I watch hockey almost every day (since 1989) and know a lot about that sport.

You guys have your national sport and us ours....but I was getting tired of hockey and getting a bit older I was able to actually watch a whole baseball game without getting bored or changing channels.

As far as my question goes in my research this card last sold for double what it just sold for the EXACT same card so it made me wonder maybe someone knew more about the player at double the price than it's new owner.

[Zone91]

AMBST95

People in Canada again 99% do not even know anything about hockey before 1952 so imagine their knowledge of baseball. Most people do not even know that hockey trophies take their names from hockey players in the early 1900's that actually played hockey in the NHL.

[Dto7]

Here are some interviews of players from 1915 -1940 made by Dr. Eugene Murdock from 1973-1987 on tape. Not the greatest sound but they are free at the Cleveland Library.

Baseball interviews on tape

[Zone91]

Dto7

Thanks!!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Zone91

AMBST95

People in Canada again 99% do not even know anything about hockey before 1952 so imagine their knowledge of baseball. Most people do not even know that hockey trophies take their names from hockey players in the early 1900's that actually played hockey in the NHL.

What team did Lady Byng play for?

[Zone91]

frankbmd

Lady Byng was the wife of Canada's Governor-General in the 1920's.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

What team did Lady Byng play for?

It's too early for your jokes about spouses in politics. Besides,

....she was a great human byng.

Back to topic, I was so excited to see that zone's getting into OJ's. I'm looking forward to reading about each new acquisition, and also the prequel threads that discuss the potential acquisitions. If you were a sport, you would take care of the 1-week, 2-week, 3-week, etc., post-purchase threads asking how each new card is acclimating to his collection. But no, you'd rather 'dry humor' us to death with your 90-year old political dribble, when there are so many potential new card threads available.

Hey, did you see where REA threw you a plug? One of their T206 lot description said "improve your monster number."

Have a happy Saturday - that's it from rainy Seattle.

[Luke]

Frank's been cracking me up in these zone threads. It's like zone is the opening act, and you just have to come back later to see the Frank show. I'm also posting from rainy Seattle. I need to get myself to the gym but it's tough to get moving this morning.

[AMBST95]

Originally Posted by Zone91

AMBST95

Just started liking baseball last year when I turned 32 (I mean the whole world knows about Mickey Mantle: 536 home runs and Babe Ruth: 714 home runs....but not Tris Speaker, Tim Keefe or Hugh Duffy for example) I knew all the names of the famous players from 1909 onward but never ever learned the ones before that date....here in Canada it is ALL about hockey unless you live in Toronto...where I live no one talks about baseball at all never and that is why I know nothing about the golden age of the game. I only compare using new players because I have NO idea what good stats looked like back in those days.

Here in Canada 99% of the time when you start talking about baseball people simply just change subjects after a few minutes.

If you want to talk hockey then I know all the stats by heart almost of every player since 1952. I watch hockey almost every day (since 1989) and know a lot about that sport.

You guys have your national sport and us ours....but I was getting tired of hockey and getting a bit older I was able to actually watch a whole baseball game without getting bored or changing channels.

As far as my question goes in my research this card last sold for double what it just sold for the EXACT same card so it made me wonder maybe someone knew more about the player at double the price than it's new owner.

I think you hit on it right there. If you had included the pricing info on your initial post and your question about it, you probably wouldn't have caught any or as much bull from the others.

I am a hockey fan and root for the Penguins. I went to school in Pittsburgh in the dark years before Lemieux took ownership, tanked a season, and got us Crosby. I know very little of hockey history, buy find it to be the best pro sport to watch live.

As the earlier poster said, try to enjoy the ride. It's a lot to learn. Have you ever watched Ken Burns's documentary entitled Baseball? If you want a good lesson on the history of the game, I'd highly suggest it. It's an 18 1/2 hr history of the game that should help bring you up to speed.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Zone91

If you want to talk hockey then I know all the stats by heart almost of every player since 1952. I watch hockey almost every day (since 1989) and know a lot about that sport.

You guys have your national sport and us ours....but I was getting tired of hockey and getting a bit older I was able to actually watch a whole baseball game without getting bored or changing channels.

do you think the b's getting jagr at the trading deadline is enough offense to knock off the pens? or is the pens just too strong all-around? maybe their achilles the goaltending will rear its ugly head in the playoffs?

[Zone91]

chaddurbin

Crosby will be weak for little while eating threw a straw he will lose a lot of muscle and power....if Malkin can stay healthy and Ignila can be the leader he was in Calgary I say the Pens stand a good chance. The question is who is going to beat Chicago. I love the Pens since 1989 they have been my favorite team with the Montreal Canadians. I truly do not like Boston and Philadelphia way to many goons and much less pure talent. Both will be hard to beat in the playoffs because no other team has as much brute strength (they will tire other teams out and cause injuries as well). I have always liked Jarg (1682 points) but he is over 40 and I think by playing in a rough and tuff team like Boston he will get hurt because the players juices will be flowing and tempers will rise and the weaker/older bodies will get hurt. But I hope not would love to see him get 2000 points (He would be only the 2nd ever to do so...if not he will most likely finish his career 2nd all time with points ahead of Gordie Howe (1850 points) and Mark Messier (1887 points)...Mario Lemieux was going to get well over 2000 points but to many injuries and illnesses plagued him) in his career in the next couple of years....wish he came to Montreal (lots of talent but no super star and a older and wise player to lead them).

[triwak]

Comiskey sometimes gets a little extra love (as opposed to other executives in the HOF), because he was the player/manager of the St. Louis Brown Stockings of the American Association (another Major League) during the 1880s. They won 4 straight pennants under him (1885-88). This is important stuff if you are a St. Louis CARDINAL fan, since this is the team that eventually became the current Cardinals. (Although you wouldn't know that, if you only listened to the current team's media reports - for SOME reason, they don't acknowledge the team's history prior to 1892).

[Zone91]

triwak

That is very interesting!!! Thanks!!!

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Zone91

AMBST95.. I mean the whole world knows about Mickey Mantle: 536 home runs and Babe Ruth: 714 home runs....but not Tris Speaker.

It's a shame that Tris Speaker relatively gets the shaft as compared to Matty/Cobb/Wags/Young/etc.. he was one of the first HOF class (with Wajo, Matty, Cy young, Cobb, etc) and even though primarily a dead ball player, his stats hold up incredibly.. especially doubles and triples totals. Also, I know it was a different game and centerfielders could play much shallower, but just check out his OF assists as compared with assist numbers today. The guy was a flat out stud.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

It's a shame that Tris Speaker relatively gets the shaft as compared to Matty/Cobb/Wags/Young/etc.. he was one of the first HOF class (with Wajo, Matty, Cy young, Cobb, etc) and even though primarily a dead ball player, his stats hold up incredibly.. especially doubles and triples totals. Also, I know it was a different game and centerfielders could play much shallower, but just check out his OF assists as compared with assist numbers today. The guy was a flat out stud.

No argument that Speaker was a stud.

For the sake of clarity though, he wasn't in the first HOF class and neither was Cy Young, for that matter.

They both made the 2nd class though.

1936 Class: Cobb, W. Johnson, Matty, Ruth, Wagner
1937 Class: Bulkeley, B. Johnson, Lajoie, Mack, McGraw, Speaker, Wright, Young

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by terjung

No argument that Speaker was a stud.

For the sake of clarity though, he wasn't in the first HOF class and neither was Cy Young, for that matter.

They both made the 2nd class though.

1936 Class: Cobb, W. Johnson, Matty, Ruth, Wagner
1937 Class: Bulkeley, B. Johnson, Lajoie, Mack, McGraw, Speaker, Wright, Young

Oops, my bad... From memory I'd thought Wajo, Wagner, Cobb, Ruth, Matty, Speaker, Collins, Cobb, Sisler, Mack, McGraw, Young were in that first class... I think because they all took a group shot together in Cooperstown. Now that I think about it, I think that may have been a centennial HOF shot they took in 1939?

PS- I'm old school in that I always took pride in remembering stuff/stats I'd read in my first total baseball encyclopedia, and still feel disappointed when I have to google. In my world, Ty Cobb still batted .367, Billy Hamilton stole 937 bases, and Hack Wilson drove in 190 runs in 1930