Babe Ruth?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Yeah, announce a guys name, when I have no physical proof now of his guilt because his questionable material was returned to him by the dealer who he was trying to sell to. (it was not in my possession).
I called someone a crook, in writing, in the distant past, and what happened? I got sued for my troubles. Why don't you guarantee my legal fees Dan, in case I get sued, and then I will be happy to reveal the name.
Announce his tell so he can correct it, sure thing.
When a certain Philadelphia store owner was on here a while back, we had all kinds of information and many examples in his ebay store of his questionable activities. That was no problem to speak out, for most of us, when we were discussing him. Leon even made a mockery of his attorney.
And as far as I know, the guy in Michigan does not sell retail, so the board members have nothing to fear, he sends stuff to dealers and to auction houses.

So, how about PMing me his name, and PMing me his tell.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

So, how about PMing me his name, and PMing me his tell.

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.
If you are that concerned, if you ever get anything offered to you by a stranger from Michigan you can PM me his name and I will tell you if it is him, and PM me the next Babe Ruth you want to buy and I will tell you if the tell is in it.

[travrosty]

what an entire waste of a thread this has been.

[shelly]

Oh my God. Travis are you really serious or you just being who you are.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by travrosty

what an entire waste of a thread this has been.

I have been quite entertained by it, and learned a lot. Plus, we had both the auction house and the consignor participate, as well as several of the more-respected autograph guys.

You just can't look at it like a 3 hour movie that says 'to be continued' at the end, and then the producer runs out of money.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have been quite entertained by it, and learned a lot. Plus, we had both the auction house and the consignor participate, as well as several of the more-respected autograph guys.

+1
= 2 from me to you....this thread rules.

[chaddurbin]

i thoroughly enjoy and am fascinated by this thread, no snark or sarcasm.

this thread is a microcosm of the autograph side, and the hobby in general. different viewpoints and opinions colliding, if you don't have the stomach or faith for it then go collect t206.

[travrosty]

nothing got accomplished except for the originator trying to toot his own horn and when asked what makes him an expert at vintage baseball, then he gets lockjaw. along with the "i am so smart i wont tell you why i think something is bad"

totally worthless from beginning to end. that is why authentication of autographs is at an all time low. we need transparency, not secrecy. psa and jsa are bad enough, hobbyists don't need to take a page out of their playbook.

if the ruth is bad, prove it.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.
If you are that concerned, if you ever get anything offered to you by a stranger from Michigan you can PM me his name and I will tell you if it is him, and PM me the next Babe Ruth you want to buy and I will tell you if the tell is in it.

Fair enough. I guess the crooks are basically untouchables in the autograph hobby.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Fair enough. I guess the crooks are basically untouchables in the autograph hobby.

Well Dan, if you can work with law enforcement to get this guy, I will happily give you his name.
Unfortunately the attempts to get him have so far not succeeded, but I hope some future attempt will nail him.
And you are right about one thing, the crooks MOSTLY are untouchable but some have paid a price.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.

Why not the tell? You can't be sued for that.

(And, BTW, I call BS on your story. Libel is almost impossible to prove even if you had written a scathing newspaper article, or a book. One email? Please.

Good excuse, though.)