Rube was good but...

[glchen]

Has this been changed in the most recent SCD yet? (I only have the 2010 copy.) Also, does anyone know if SGC has changed this to Marquard yet like Beckett? I see this old listing from Goodwin for SGC here Link, but I don't see it in SGC's population reports anymore, so I'm wondering if they've also modified it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

Has this been changed in the most recent SCD yet? (I only have the 2010 copy.) Also, does anyone know if SGC has changed this to Marquard yet like Beckett? I see this old listing from Goodwin for SGC here Link, but I don't see it in SGC's population reports anymore, so I'm wondering if they've also modified it.

The 2011 scd has it still as Ruth and the 2013 Vintage SCD guide omitted it altogether....from what I can tell. I will admit that Marquard had a resemblance to Ruth. For me that is about as far as this stamp gets to being Ruth. But if others want to believe it's Ruth, more power to them, even though it clearly isn't to me.

[z28jd]

I agree with most others, it's obviously Marquard's pose, but looks like it was changed to resemble Ruth's face. It's a fairly low-quality production piece, so I could see that happening

[EvilKing00]

So if its not ruth, and the PSA flip says ruth, is the PSA flip a fake, or did PSA get it wrong? If they got it wrong could they be liable?

[glchen]

I don't think that PSA will say that they're liable because they will state that they were just following the old Standard Catalog in labeling the stamp as Ruth.

However, if PSA and SGC do follow Beckett and change this stamp to Marquard, the value will obviously drop like a rock. However, I'm not sure it's clear if they will. The TPG's usually follow the standard guides. However, if SCD removed the entry, but did not change it, then PSA and SGC may also not change it since they may still rely on what was in the older catalogs. However, if Beckett has changed it in their standard guide, then it's still possible PSA and SGC will use this and change it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

I don't think that PSA will say that they're liable because they will state that they were just following the old Standard Catalog in labeling the stamp as Ruth.

However, if PSA and SGC do follow Beckett and change this stamp to Marquard, the value will obviously drop like a rock. However, I'm not sure it's clear if they will. The TPG's usually follow the standard guides. However, if SCD removed the entry, but did not change it, then PSA and SGC may also not change it since they may still rely on what was in the older catalogs. However, if Beckett has changed it in their standard guide, then it's still possible PSA and SGC will use this and change it.

If any of them want to be correct they will change it to Marquard. I don't know how any collector can look at the Postcard and not say it's the same picture. Maybe I am more blind than I thought .

[glchen]

OK, it looks like in the 2012 version of the SCD, this was changed to Marquard. You can see this on Google Books here: Link. I would think that with this information, PSA and SGC should change it to Marquard even if it were possible that the artist modified the drawing slightly to resemble Ruth more. (BTW, I am not the consignor for this item, but I was seriously thinking of bidding strongly for it because Ruth items during his Red Sox days are so tough. I will pass on it now.)