Unbelievable Marciano mess with certification-breaking story.

[travrosty]

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

Perhaps you've not been paying attention, but PSA and JSA take a pretty good bashing here too, much more I would say than the obvious suspects like STAT, ACE and Morales. They also happen to have more people in their corner than the obvious suspects because they actually do get it right more often than not.

[shelly]

Dan, the other compaines that you named are known to bad. If what you are saying is true then psa and jsa both fall in with them.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by shelly

Dan, the other compaines that you named are known to bad.. If what you are saying is true then psa and jsa both fall in with them.

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

[shelly]

People who drink a fifth or take the fifth not sure.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

Mistakes are expensive and they don't like to admit them and that's wrong. I'm not in the corner of PSA or JSA, but I also don't equate them with the rest of the alphabet soup.

[D. Bergin]

Resurrecting a very old post. Sadly I'm recently seeing these Marciano typed/signed letters with JSA COA's resurfacing and selling for a pretty penny at auction.

Don't even think it's the sellers fault, as most of the research has disappeared from the internet since 2013, and the full JSA letters are still attached to the pieces.