Lou Gehrig Auto 1928 $2 Bill

[David Atkatz]

Simply awful.

[khkco4bls]

Wouldn't pay the 2 dollar bill. Gehrig should flow smoothly

[GrayGhost]

Sadly, very labored and the ink as has been mentioned is an issue too.

[jcmtiger]

No!!!!

Joe

[WillowGrove]

Hey autoqraph guys, could someone explain where you see the hesitations? Im considering getting into vintage autos and id love to use this one example for some quick learning. I think I can see what you mean on the L but unsure.

Thanks for any help.

Peter

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

Hey autoqraph guys, could someone explain where you see the hesitations? Im considering getting into vintage autos and id love to use this one example for some quick learning. I think I can see what you mean on the L but unsure.

Thanks for any help.

Peter

Look at the G for a while, see the stops and starts? See how stiffly it is written?
This is one horrid forgery.
It is not from the Florida gangsters but probably from the Northeast.

[WillowGrove]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Look at the G for a while, see the stops and starts? See how stiffly it is written?
This is one horrid forgery.
It is not from the Florida gangsters but probably from the Northeast.

Thanks Richard. I do see what you mean - I had to compare the G to real Gehrig auto's to do it - but I see how it was labored and deliberate. A real G would have a much rounder (natural) circle to it-

so interesting this vintage autograph collecting. you really gotta know what you're looking for.

thanks again

peter

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

Hey autoqraph guys, could someone explain where you see the hesitations? Im considering getting into vintage autos and id love to use this one example for some quick learning. I think I can see what you mean on the L but unsure.

Thanks for any help.

Peter

If you can't see the hesitations on this one, do yourself a favor and "get out" of Vintage autos...consider having your head examined and "get out" as fast as you are for the quick learning "getting into" them.

wholey snot rag, that's just horrible.

[MooseDog]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

If you can't see the hesitations on this one, do yourself a favor and "get out" of Vintage autos...consider having your head examined and "get out" as fast as you are for the quick learning "getting into" them.

wholey snot rag, that's just horrible.

I agree that is a horrible forgery but I think you're being a wee bit harsh on Peter there, Chuck...when I was a young whippersnapper, I was interested in vintage autographs and came across a binder of them at one of Dick Dobbin's shows at his high school. One of the regulars there, one George C. basically told me to bug off, I was too young to appreciate them and he wouldn't even give me a price.

Thankfully, it was guys like Dobbins, Will Davis, Nick Peters, and Steve Brunner who patiently answered all my questions, showed me great stuff, and planted the seeds of collecting passion that they had.

I've still managed to make a LOT of mistakes along the way in regards to autographs but it's a long learning process and you gotta start somewhere. If only there were a forum like this way back when, the closest thing we had was Jeff Morey's autograph newsletter.

[ctownboy]

I looked on the web and 1928 D two dollar bills were produced between January, 1934 and July, 1944. If you can find or narrow down when your bill was produced you might have a better idea if this Gehrig sig is legit. I mean, if the bill was made after June, 1941 then you would KNOW that Gehrig would have a hard time signing anything since he was DEAD.

Why I suggest to do this is because a few years ago, someone came on these boards with a question about a bill that was supposedly signed by Babe Ruth. Another member read the story and then researched and found out the bill was printed AFTER Ruth had died so him signing it was impossible.

David

[1880nonsports]

but it seems there's something quite interesting going on in the mind of a forger who uses something like a 2 dollar bill to represent their work. It's so "in your face". Most everyone has heard the "phoney as a two dollar bill" expression. I guess it's ego and gall mixed with anger and self-loathing. As has been expressed - the signature is terrible..........

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

but it seems there's something quite interesting going on in the mind of a forger who uses something like a 2 dollar bill to represent their work. It's so "in your face". Most everyone has heard the "phoney as a two dollar bill" expression. I guess it's ego and gall mixed with anger and self-loathing. As has been expressed - the signature is terrible..........

Uhmmmm..... The expression is "As phony as a three dollar bill." This may explain some of the puzzled looks that you have received over the years.

[1880nonsports]

could pen an autograph that looks like the one in question whether they're in Queens or a small town in Iowa. Isn't the problem how to get the item into the market? A poor fake could be produced by anyone and show up anywhere where the naive linger like eBay, craig's list, yard sales, home town auctions and the like. The serious buyer in today's info rich cyberworld SHOULD be more difficult to fool and their radar would be more active in these lesser venues. That then requires a more adept hand to produce it but also a conduit or buffer to give it more legitimacy. The forger needs to somehow distance himself from his work. Whether that happens by complicity or ingnorance - it all comes down to knowing what you're buying and whom you trust.
BTW - not everyone here in Florida is a forger or crook - it's mostly just the prisoners and politicians.

[JimStinson]

Maybe a coincidence but was the late Ron D. favorite color ink.

Also has been some "suspect" signed currency hitting the market in the last couple years usually signed in pencil. Always Hall of Famers and never common players , all factors combined I'd suggest unless you can get it for $2.00 (Its worth at least that much) you've overpaid , And even if someone says its authentic it does not make it so. Use the dough to have a nice dinner and a night out.

A REMINDER the two most often forged signatures in the hobby Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig.
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[David Atkatz]

I grew up in NYC in the 50s-60s too. The phrase is, was, and always has been "as phoney as a three-dollar bill."

[1880nonsports]

we used to buy bologna by the slice instead of the pound. I have heard it said both ways - of course as I said before the 3$ bill would be correct logically. I mistakenly figured that others had heard it that way - so I found the use of the 2$ ironic. Now I guess it's just tragic without the irony and I'll go back into my hole..... :-)

I thought the saying was "queer as a $3 bill"?

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

I thought the saying was "queer as a $3 bill"?

We're not allowed to say "queer" anymore lest the PC police come knocking on your door.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

We're not allowed to say "queer" anymore lest the PC police come knocking on your door.

Then I guess we cannot quote Psycho (Conrad Dunn) from 'Stripes' -"...any of you homos touch me and I'll kill ya..."