Another Probstein LOL

[Leon]

Originally Posted by hangman62

I have and will continue to bid and buy from Probstein .
Never had a single problem or issue
He gets his hands on loads of good stuff
prices are prices...bidding get carried away sometimes...if you dont like it then dont bid
Why must cry babys keep bringing up the same old sour grapes
You dont think the big auction houses " protect" their rare items in one way or another ?..good ole boys secretly bidding on their own stuff ?
The guys sells tons of stuff... he must be doing something right

Ralph G

Is this post a joke? Is it April fools day again?

1. He gets his hands on loads of stuff.- Well good for him. But it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.
2. Prices are prices- Most idiotic statement, in the context of this thread, that I have seen in a while. The problem is, prices we see aren't real prices, they are shilled. So, no, prices aren't prices.
3. Cry babys (sic) keep bringing up sour grapes. Yes, and each time a bank robber robs a bank, darn it, it makes the news again.
4. Big auctions protecting their rare items? Of course, it's called a reserve or a higher opening bid. Just like a consignor could tell Rick if he wanted to. That would be the moral and legal way to do it. And yes, there are a few hobbyists in a lot of hot water for doing it the wrong way.
5. The guy sells a ton of stuff, he must be doing something right. I think Rick is probably a very hard worker and is smart. A little more due diligence, when issues are brought to his attention, is all some of us are asking ie...ban bidders with a gazillion retractions and other issues. And maybe part of the reason he gets stuff is that the consignors know they can protect their consignments by shilling.


And I just want to make sure you are serious in believing what you wrote? It's hard for me to imagine anyone could really believe what you wrote. It's freaking crazy.


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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

Is this post a joke? Is it April fools day again?

1. He gets his hands on loads of stuff.- Well good for him. But it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.
2. Prices are prices- Most idiotic statement, in the context of this thread, that I have seen in a while. The problem is, prices we see aren't real prices, they are shilled. So, no, prices aren't prices.
3. Cry babys (sic) keep bringing up sour grapes. Yes, and each time a bank robber robs a bank, darn it, it makes the news again.
4. Big auctions protecting their rare items? Of course, it's called a reserve or a higher opening bid. Just like a consignor could tell Rick if he wanted to. That would be the moral and legal way to do it. And yes, there are a few hobbyists in a lot of hot water for doing it the wrong way.
5. The guy sells a ton of stuff, he must be doing something right. I think Rick is probably a very hard worker and is smart. A little more due diligence, when issues are brought to his attention, is all some of us are asking ie...ban bidders with a gazillion retractions and other issues. And maybe part of the reason he gets stuff is that the consignors know they can protect their consignments by shilling.


And I just want to make sure you are serious in believing what you wrote? It's hard for me to imagine anyone could really believe what you wrote. It's freaking crazy.


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Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

Shilling? I don't do it. I haven't asked anyone to bid on my stuff before either. Maybe that is the reason I lose money often when I sell? But to answer your question, yes I think it's prevalent and I think it's a big problem. I don't know if I would call it a plague?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

Shilling? I don't do it. I haven't asked anyone to bid on my stuff before either. Maybe that is the reason I lose money often when I sell? But to answer your question, yes I think it's prevalent and I think it's a big problem. I don't know if I would call it a plague?

Me neither Leon, but trust me when I say, we are the minority, period......

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Me neither Leon, but trust me when I say, we are the minority, period......

Kevin,

Please allow me to join the vocal minority, then.

I have not (and have never) shilled an auction. It's just plain wrong.

Best regards,

Eric

[4815162342]

I've never shilled, and never will. Have I been shilled? Probably.

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I've never shilled, and never will. Have I been shilled? Probably.

I once shilled myself because of that stupid ebay hiding the ID and didn't realize it was my ID. I got me good. Pushed me up $500 to just under my max bid. That will show me to bid early and bid often.

Of course I am joking. Save your sarcastic replies please.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

I have been buying/selling on ebay since 96 or 97 and I have never shilled any auction for myself or anyone else. I also have never retracted a single bid in that time.

As far as what Rick could do, I think he should have a 1 strike and you are out policy for anyone that shills there items he is selling.

[hangman62]

Wow,
I got myself smack dab in the middle of a good ole hootin and hollerin contest with dem thar Good Ole Boys !

Leon,

You ripped into my points pretty good ! LOL

Oh you forgot to comment on my first point -
Ive been bidding and will continue to bid on Probstein stuff ( and lets be honest..look at all the action/bidders on his stuff he gets thousands of bids...Im sure half the members of Net54 bid on his items..and they must be OK with it ?? ) .

I see you guys point ..all this talk of shills and questionable items...but for a long time fun loving lower grade cheapskate collector like me..... Who Cares !

Dont bid ... then maybe I can get that beat up T205 Cobb a bit cheaper

And that question that was raised by someone about shill bidding....come on guys..lets be honest.... Of the Thousands of members of net54.... I would say 50% have done some "type" of shill bidding at least once...

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Of the Thousands of members of net54.... I would say 50% have done some "type" of shill bidding at least once...

Ralph,

No, I have not engaged in shilling. Sorry to contribute to proving you wrong.

Best,

Eric

[drcy]

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[hangman62]

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members