Who can slighty best these WHOLESALE PRICES?? ALL CARDS SOLD!

[Luke]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

Sounds like you just admitted to reneging on a deal you had agreed to. Not a good thing to do if your reputation on this site is important to you. Look what happened to Joey F. for reneging on deals. I will definitely avoid your sales and a B/S/T ban may be in order.

edit: I posted this thinking I was on the first page. It's still my opinion, but I missed a lot of further info.

[bobbyw8469]

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

[Luke]

So you're saying your word means nothing... Wow.

[slipk1068]

Don't blame Craig for being angry. I know I would be.

It seems like an honest mistake. It's not like Robert reneged because he was offered more money from someone else. I have dealt with Robert, and I can say he is an honest and helpful person.

Maybe ship Craig a $10 common or something from his wantlist to try to smooth things over?

[bobbyw8469]

Let's play WHAT IF - What if the following morning Craig decides he doesn't want the card? What am I gonna do, force him to send me the money?? Say "You agreed to the deal - you have to pay!!!"....of course not....I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. All the naysayers really need to understand both sides of the fence here.

[jhs5120]

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

Thank you - this is all I'm going to say on the matter. Craig and I worked out a deal for a card. We had a verbal agreement he would pay me the next day. During the middle of the night, the card sold and was paid for on Ebay. I forgot to take it down. An unfortunate situation, and I am sorry that it happened, but my hands are tied. I have been on the receiving end of situations like this as well. And yes, while not happy, I was understanding. There will be other cards. I am sorry this happened. If you choose not to deal with me, I am sorry you feel that way. I hope you change your mind in the future. For those of you who do choose to deal with me, I promise to do everything in my power to help you out or make sure you are satisfied. That is what I can offer.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

I agree, had cparker paid immediately this wouldnt have been a problem. However... cparker and bobby agreed that he could pay the next morning. Had that not been part of the agreement, then yes, the card is for the taking.

It's as if he put the card on lay-away for 12 hours. If the agreement was that the card was his, awaiting payment the next morning, he shouldnt have to worry about it being sold anywhere else.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Let's play WHAT IF - What if the following morning Craig decides he doesn't want the card? What am I gonna do, force him to send me the money?? Say "You agreed to the deal - you have to pay!!!"....of course not....I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. All the naysayers really need to understand both sides of the fence here.

I feel that this is part of the risk of being the seller and it's definitely going to happen. However, you should not have agreed to the terms of the deal if you weren't going to follow them. That's the point I am trying to make. You agreed to terms, but without communicating, you had clauses in your agreement that were not explained.

It's like going to the car dealership and signing a paper to buy a car the next day. The dealership cannot sell the car to anyone else, but the buyer has the option to back out. It's an AGREEMENT made. It's all just part of the business.

Once more, you had THREE buyers; CParker, eBayer, and ASC (which is as good as money in hand). So to say that you were afraid of not getting your money seems a bit exaggerated.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

It's like going to the car dealership and signing a paper to buy a car the next day. The dealership cannot sell the car to anyone else, but the buyer has the option to back out. It's an AGREEMENT made. It's all just part of the business.

That isn't correct. Until the deal is funded, every dealership I know (and I know many, I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC) will take the money from the first customer that comes up with it, agreement or not.

If you want to see this for yourself, walk into a dealerhsip, yank the salesman's chain for a while and then tell him you'll be back tomorrow to buy a certain car. When you get home, look on the dealership's website and see if that card is still listed or if they removed it in order to hold it for you. I guarantee that it will still be listed. Dealerships DO NOT remove their cars from website inventory until the deal is funded.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

But wasn't this agreement 'in writing'? It was not verbal, it was typed. It is written/typed so your argument is null. So, being that you had a written/typed agreement, by definition, yes, you reneged on it.

And to say that a verbal deal is not binding in law is a bit ridiculous. Certainly it is in some cases. It's easy to renege when you are hiding behind a monitor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

You are a freaking nut . I am not a lawyer but I believe A verbal contract is a binding contract on anything except certain sales.....real estate and maybe a few other things. But just because we let folks back out of "a" deal on this board doesn't make it the way all contracts are. You might want to look up what constitutes a contract, I am not a lawyer, but verbal contracts are enforceable in most states and most situations. Proving them can be an issue though....

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

I am not a lawyer and the only exposure I have had to contract law was in a business law class I took in college but even I know what you had here was a verbal contract to sell this card to the Net54 buyer.

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

[bobbyw8469]

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

If that is the case, how come I can never force the renegers on here to pay me when they agree to buy a card??? It is a contract, according to you....

[orioles93]

Over 2200 views. Niiiiiiccccccceeeeeee

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by orioles93

Over 2200 views. Niiiiiiccccccceeeeeee

Yea...it is quite a bit. And to think, it all started with a simple deal of me wholesaling some cards off.

[orioles93]

To be honest, I havn't even read the thread.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If that is the case, how come I can never force the renegers on here to pay me when they agree to buy a card??? It is a contract, according to you....

You have a remedy for the renegers but it is called small claims court. Obviously it typically isnt worth anyone's time, money or effort to go this route.

I am not sure why I am responding to this as several of your responses shows how in my opinion....ignorant you can be. I am not sure you are making these statements as a way to stir the pot around here or just draw attention to yourself. Since I have seen your sorry act on other boards I am going with you need the attention.

[bobbyw8469]

I am not sure why I am responding to this as several of your responses shows how ignorant you can be. I am not sure you are making these staements as a way to stir the pot around here or just draw attention to yourself. Since I have seen your sorry act on other boards I am going with you need the attention.

Wow!! I don't quite know how to respond to that. You name call and resort to slander and expect me to not respond?? Just sit in a corner and let you (who I have no idea who you are - no offense) sit there and talk crap about me?? Well, I am taking the high road here and not responding in kind to you. But that is a pretty cheap shot if you ask me.

[Sean1125]

For the record, the correct term would be libel.

[smtjoy]

I have two issues-

One- the policy of having to receive the money to count as done is imo way off (not to mention its not listed on your sales thread here). So basically what you are saying is if we agree to a deal and I mail you the money, if someone pays you via paypal you are going to cancel our deal and send me my money back? If thats the case I would imagine you will lose a lot of potential customer here.

I always treat the BSW here: when a deal is agreed upon that I will give the buyer a reasonable amount of time to complete the payment, really no different than ebay or any auction house. You really fail this and maybe it was just a mistake this time around but you keep stating its all about receiving the money first, if you are set on that it should be in your bsw listings and count me out for any future business. That said I think if any seller has a sale and holds the card and someone fails to pay in a reasonable time they should be outed here to save others from the same issue.

Second, it has happened to me on ebay where I cant find a card that just sold in my store and I had to cancel the ebay sale, In those cases no feedback can be left, the transaction is canceled because nothing was sent.

I know your a good guy Rob but when you made a choice to honor the 2nd sale which was ebay over the first, imo that was a bad decision. You also haven't really came out and said what you would do the next time it happens?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

Second, it has happened to me on ebay where I cant find a card that just sold in my store and I had to cancel the ebay sale, In those cases no feedback can be left, the transaction is canceled because nothing was sent.

As the seller, you have to get the buyer to AGREE to cancel the sale. Good luck with that. Even if he does agree to canel the sale, yes, absolutely feedback can still be left. A cancellation of the sale does not take away the buyers right to leave feedback. I think that is a common misconception.

[ZachS]

My advice (for what it's worth):

- Bobby, I feel like you made an honest mistake but at what cost are you willing to let this go on? You're in the business of selling cards and this site is a big market. I know Craig has a big want-list of cards so maybe you could work out another deal with him to help check something else off his list to show everyone that you're willing to fix a problem.

- Craig, I feel like you got the raw end of this deal but if Bobby is willing to work with you on your want-list stuff then maybe you could agree that this was all an honest mistake and hold no hard feelings.

We could all feel good knowing that Craig got something out of the deal AND that Bobby is willing to work with his customers to make them happy in the event that something like this were to happen again.

Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

[bobbyw8469]

Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

We aren't really arguing. More like debating/venting.....this thread has gotten way more hits than I ever though possible. I don't even want to sell the cards on here anymore.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

We aren't really arguing. More like debating/venting.....this thread has gotten way more hits than I ever though possible. I don't even want to sell the cards on here anymore.

Po-tay-toe... po-tah-toe

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by ZachS

My advice (for what it's worth):
Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I will definitely avoid your sales and a B/S/T

+1 here

[bobbyw8469]

That's fine. That is your prerogative. Heaven forbid if you make a mistake though.