Chances for Re-grading at SGC

[RGold]

In the last 5 years I have submitted about 3,000 cards to SGC, about 2,000 being crossovers from PSA. FWIW, my experience has been the following:

Crossovers from PSA holders, depending on the type of card, run about 60% crossing at the same grade, 10% half point bumps, 2% full point bump. Over a quarter of the cards did not crossover. Either those cards did not meet SGC standards, showed evidence of trimming, or SGC could not see the edges in the holder sufficiently to give a grade. The vast majority were not crossed for the first reason.

SGC cards with the old holders and labels (non guaranteed cards) crossed over at the same grade about 50% of the time, and I cannot recall ever getting a bump in grade. SGC cards with current holders and labels (guaranteed cards) received very few bumps. Note that these were SGC 60 and higher where SGC has already had grades reflecting a half point, SGC 70,80,86,92. I would expect submitting lower graded cards, SGC 50 and below, would result in more bumps because half grades were not always available until recently at these levels.

If your question is alluding to reviews and not crossovers, I would expect a very low rate of bumps. You are in fact asking SGC if they under graded the card. You would probably have more success getting cards reviewed in person where you could lobby for your position. Again, most of your successes will come with lower graded cards where the half point bump didnt exist before.

I am somewhat bothered by the fact that you mentioned you had a group of cards that you thought should be bumped. I am not aware that you have any special expertise in grading cards. I could be wrong.

I would also mention, that the times i have felt a card was under graded by SGC, I broke the cards out and resubmitted them at a later date. I was always amazed that SGC graded them right at the same grade as before. I know many will give exceptions, but that has been my experience.

Remember the axiom, that over time, every card will eventually reside in the highest grade holder possible. In other words, assume that any card you buy has already been reviewed and resubmitted by the previous owners who like you want higher grades.

[bobbyw8469]

Remember the axiom, that over time, every card will eventually reside in the highest grade holder possible. In other words, assume that any card you buy has already been reviewed and resubmitted by the previous owners who like you want higher grades.

I agree with everything but this. Sometimes it is not cost feasible to crack cards out and pay the company again to grade the same card again. Sure, I have had cards that I thought were undergraded (same as everyone else, I am sure). Instead, I just put them up for sale, make a comment that the card appears to be undergraded and move on. Everyone has eyes, and I include big scans. They get bid up to where they need to be (not always, but usually).

[RGold]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I agree with everything but this. Sometimes it is not cost feasible to crack cards out and pay the company again to grade the same card again. Sure, I have had cards that I thought were undergraded (same as everyone else, I am sure). Instead, I just put them up for sale, make a comment that the card appears to be undergraded and move on. Everyone has eyes, and I include big scans. They get bid up to where they need to be (not always, but usually).

An axiom is a premise or starting point of reasoning. Yes, it is most likely that not every single card will be graded over and over again. Sheesh.

[GregMitch34]

Sorry to ask again but didn't get much specific feedback--what are odds of getting even a small bump in submitting mid-grade (and seemingly, I say seemingly, ungraded) cards to SGC for review, not crossover? What's your experience? One in five or one in ten or one in 50?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

Sorry to ask again but didn't get much specific feedback--what are odds of getting even a small bump in submitting mid-grade (and seemingly, I say seemingly, ungraded) cards to SGC for review, not crossover? What's your experience? One in five or one in ten or one in 50?

My guess is about a 20% review bump of a half grade. I haven't done many crossovers so don't know on those. But I only get cards reviewed that are high end for the grade. I haven't done it too often.

[smtjoy]

I would say 1 in 5 is about what i have seen with mid to lower grade having a better chance than higher grade for a bump. Remember you are basically asking the same grader if they made a mistake so not likely or they would not be doing their job. If I feel real strong on a card I also do as Ron suggested I crack and submit but I am amazed how many times they come back the same grade.

Good luck

[GregMitch34]

Sorry for basic question but can they award lower grade or say "not authentic"? If they do, do they change flip or just advise you....I know with cross overs you can say "same grade or higher" but is this true with reviews?