Simple Auction Site

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Maybe since you use the software you can answer the burning question. Does the software allow you to see a max bid in any way?

Kevin

Hey there Kevin,

I do Believe that Leon answered your question even before you asked!
I do admire Your due diligence into the matter. However, Strictly from a Business Standpoint, And You even said that You work in the IT geek world...
I would almost imagine that You would really understand the point that when a company provides a Service, Having as many options available for the Customer to Choose from is what Provider/Customer diversity is all about.

I do believe that You see clear to the option of "Can or Can't See"...
And I do understand Your "Hobby Watch Mentality".
I think the issue here just lies into All of uS being as diligent as You have been.

No one like's to be Shilled... oR!?
The Provider is Just the Provider... The Provider is Not Responsible for how others Run their Company... Nor should they be!

Just my 2 pennies

As Always...

[thehoodedcoder]

By that same logic, then sponsors shouldn't drop sports stars when they do things that hurt their image? After all, they are just a company and bear no burden from who or what their sponsored individuals do in their personal time? Right?

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Lets be realistic here. The auction house software provider has a responsibility to not provide options which so easily promote unethical behavior and have absolutely no real useful business value. Not only that, knowing that fraud is being committed with your software and doing nothing about it is negligent in regards to the law. Most businesses wouldn't want this burden and unnecessary risk looming over their business.

Kevin

[autograf]

Sorry to hear about your uncle Leon.......

[steve B]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Kevin

You mean like Ebay which is infested with ads from doubleclick.net and whatever the new one is I ran across yesterday?

Or like Facebook?
Or like ...........the majority of large commercial websites? (It's always amusing when the ads are for their competitors)

It's annoying, but from what I see out there it's probably not hurting business much.

All software has flaws and security holes. That's the sort of thing that happens with overly complex systems. But my opinions about software in general don't really belong here.


Steve B

[sports-rings]

I wonder if we got off topic here.

as an example, I use ebay to purchase items from sellers. I'm glad that no matter which sellers decide to use ebay, they don't know my max bid. How well do I know a seller or people who might work for the seller or be friends with the seller. I don't want the seller to know my max bid and I'm glad ebay does not leave it up to the seller (in this case, ebay's cusomter, since they pay the fee to ebay) to decide what access they have to ebay.

a lot of (me included, sometimes crap on certain auction companies), why wold we want the most used software out there to share personal information. what good comes out of that.

when companies put in writing that they don't know the max bids ahead of time, that instills more confidence in me to use the handy tool in the first place.

[thehoodedcoder]

Won't someone just come out and say yes, that the auction house can see the max bid, without beating around the bush?

Do, none of the action houses want to admit this openly? Maybe, Leon who runs the site, and uses the software can answer this question in a direct yes or no fashion.

I'm not sure why all of a sudden the responses went cold, after he told me I was talking out of my ass.

Kevin

[thehoodedcoder]

Hi All,

Bob just did me a favor and confirmed on the phone that as an administrator of the simpleauctionsite script you can see the max bids.

In my opinion this makes the software very suspect to potential fraud.

No wonder everyone is so defensive around this question. It was the same exact formulated response "It is up to the auction house if they want to use that feature", that everyone is giving.

Kevin

[sports-rings]

Bob,

a friend just informed me that every auction house also has the ability to retrieve passwords and in theory could log onto your account.

can you imagine if ebay sellers were able to log onto bidders accounts?

Please know I am not insinuating any of the auction companies are doing this, but I this disturbing.

I incorrectly thought the whole point of the software service company was to give bidders more peace of mind.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Won't someone just come out and say yes, that the auction house can see the max bid, without beating around the bush?

Do, none of the action houses want to admit this openly? Maybe, Leon who runs the site, and uses the software can answer this question in a direct yes or no fashion.

I'm not sure why all of a sudden the responses went cold, after he told me I was talking out of my ass.

Kevin

Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Leon

Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

I'm comfortable with that.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Leon

Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

Originally Posted by Leon

Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

Ok. Great. I never, once said you did look at max bids nor anyone else. I simply said it concretely does exist. I'm glad to hear you confirm this though.

I wonder to what extent this might be utilized. Maybe Bob or someone else can give us an indication as to the number of houses that have it?

Kevin

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

By that same logic, then sponsors shouldn't drop sports stars when they do things that hurt their image? After all, they are just a company and bear no burden from who or what their sponsored individuals do in their personal time? Right?

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Lets be realistic here. The auction house software provider has a responsibility to not provide options which so easily promote unethical behavior and have absolutely no real useful business value. Not only that, knowing that fraud is being committed with your software and doing nothing about it is negligent in regards to the law. Most businesses wouldn't want this burden and unnecessary risk looming over their business.

Kevin

Hey there Kevin,

With All Do Sincerity... Your an IT Guy! You seem to know the business & what the Shoulds & Shouldn'ts Should Be of an Online Auction House... Sooo, Why don't You Start up a Business that will keep us All Happy ;- )

Or... Maybe You could compile Your Due Diligence into a Blog website informing us All to whom these Scamming Auction Site's are? It would be more helpful than bitchin' about it... or getting us to agree with You.

I'm not sayin' that your right or wrong...

Just Sayin'... 2 more pennies...

Leon, You're point Only made me self reflect on How I Don't Want To Be That Uncle! And You Reminded me of my Lacking Area of "Push uP Therapy".

uP... Down..., uP... Down..., uP... Down......

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by Leon View Post
Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

Glad to hear that, thanks Leon!