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This is why I don't "do" autographs.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that collectors shouldn't "do" autographs. It just requires some education and awareness. This piece stood out immediately to me as being problematic, as soon as I saw the Grove and the Foxx. Plus, the uniform inks and obvious fact that most were done in the same hand were red flags as well.
But aside from that... there are troubles with virtually every segment of the hobby. If there is money to be made, the bad guys will find a way to corrupt the hobby. An autograph expert might not be able to identify any of the following... A reproduction Pennant vs. one that's vintage A touched-up Hartland vs. one that's all original A restored Bobbing Head Doll vs. an original A Type 1 photo vs. a re-strike A reproduction Ad Sign, vs. an original A reproduction Broadside vs. one that's vintage A Fantasy Pinback vs. one that's real The list could go on indefinitely. But that doesn't necessarily mean people shouldn't ever collect those things. It just means you learn as you go (as we all have). Whichever niche of the hobby you are into, there are obstacles and fakes. Although it might be more common with autographs, it's really no different than for anything else we collect.
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Now, an autographed BAT? That's another matter! 
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Opinions on Value/Authenticity
I really do not have a problem with any one feeling the way they do, I have had signatures on many items before and have had similar issues. Sometimes members like Scott are right, but other times you just need to talk to other people then just this board. Many times I have had autos that I thought had no chance and they come back fine. I am just saying that it does not hurt to have them looked at, sometimes JSA, SGC or PSA will work with you - they want the returned business.
My posts had not been directed at Scott either, it was just a general comment I wanted to make that when researching autos - the first place to go is the COA company and see what they say first. Lean on more then one opinion for your research. I understand I may not have done any real research with each signature - these had just been fast responses on my part and I guess before saying anything it should have been tought out better Happy Collecting
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Nothing personal as I don't know you, and you are correct that we are all entitled to our opinion, BUT if I read and understood, your remarks correctly, this is one of the worst responses ever. So what you're implying is that, because the COA companies want the return business, they will "work with you" and certify things that may or may not be real. If a signature is bad, it doesn't matter what cert you have, it doesn't make the auto good. Who you want to ask to find out the authenticity of an auto is not the COA company, it's the people you trust the most to know the subject matter and to be honest with you. I trust the knowledge and honesty of the people on this board waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than I will ever trust the TPAs. At least I know that the people here have no financial motivation to give a falsely positive or negative opinion. If my interpretation is correct, I'm sorry to say, that I would have a hard time ever buying an autograph from you. Your implication is that if it's certed, you'll sell it as real, even if you don't think it is. So not true. If my understanding of your position is incorrect, then I apologize fully. Best, M@rk Vel@rde
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I have to completely agree with Mark's post above. Jimmy doesn't seem to have any understanding of the how the TPAs' businesses work;e.g-their incentive to pass autographs, or the level of expertise on this board and in most cases, our lack of incentive to say 'yes' to a forgery.
He also doesn't seem to have any confidence in his own ability to do a little bit of research, which astounds me. If you want to own a real autograph, it is imperative that you learn how to distinguish real ones from fakes. Jimmy - you are not alone, so don't be offended, but your comments are flabbergasting, not that I am certain what that word means.
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