Getting the Record Straight Shoeless Joe Jackson Military service

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

....I think a good pair of glasses are needed here....

At least with respect to photo ID, it seems there has been a significant improvement in auction house behavior in recent years. This change is correlated with (and likely influenced by) the emergence of at least several people outside of the AHs who have demonstrated that they are really good at this. That has fostered an increase in both healthy skepticism at auction houses and a general improvement in photo ID skills among the collecting population.

I have been fortunate to participate in all this as a consultant on early baseball photo ID to collectors, auction houses (including Huggins and Scott), major libraries (Library of Congress, Boston Public Library),authors, and most importantly I have written more articles on this subject than I can count for SABR. As such, I am more than willing to match my skills against deluded collectors and German vase enthusiasts.

It is the behavior of the auction house with respect to this photo and the “Fleet Walker” image that is most disturbing. The wholly irrational commentary posted here by the AH in response to arguments of well-known experts is appalling and should be embarrassing. Mike Nola has shown himself to be a high quality researcher and he is probably the preeminent Joe Jackson expert, and Dave Grob is the best memorabilia researcher and authenticator I know of. Add to that the ear discrepancy, and you have one of the worst examples of nonsense that I have seen on net54.

Mar.kFim0ff
co-chairman
SABR – Pictrorial History Committee

[blackbetsy]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Mike Nola has shown himself to be a high quality researcher and he is probably the preeminent Joe Jackson expert

Thanks for the kudos Mark, I respect your work as well, when you confirmed your thoughts on it not being Joe, then I was SURE if wasn't him, although I was already 99 percent sure it wasn't :-)

[blackbetsy]

On another Joe Jackson note, I have a photo up for sale on the upcoming RMY Auctions. It is of Joe and his 1925 Waycross (GA) Coastliners team. You can see it here at: http://blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/new-...al-cropped.jpg
I acquired this from the grandson of the editor (during Joe's playing days there) of the Waycross Journal Herald newspaper. This is the only known copy to exist as it was not sent out over the wire services by the small town newspaper. Just in case anyone here may be interested in obtaining a REAL image with Joe Jackson in it (Jackson, third from right in photo).

Mike Nola
Official Historian
Shoeless Joe Jackson's Virtual Hall of Fame
http://www.blackbetsy.com

[EVAJOY91]

Net54 members, today I asked Bill Huggins to pull this shoeless Joe Jackson military panoramic photograph from his upcoming auction. I will further my research because I believe that this is Shoeless Joe. I thank you all for your information and want to thank Hugging & Scott who stood by me till I asked them to pull the item at 12:10pm today Tuesday Sept, 16, 2014.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

Net54 members, today I asked Bill Huggins to pull this shoeless Joe Jackson military panoramic photograph from his upcoming auction. I will further my research because I believe that this is Shoeless Joe. I thank you all for your information and want to thank Hugging & Scott who stood by me till I asked them to pull the item at 12:10pm today Tuesday Sept, 16, 2014.

Consignor did the right thing. I put more of the weight of all this on the auction house anyway.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Consignor did the right thing. I put more of the weight of all this on the auction house anyway.

Agreed on your latter point. As for the consignor, this thread would likely have suppressed the realized price - I would speculate that is the reason it was pulled.

Now how about pulling that "Fleet Walker" photo?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Agreed on your latter point. As for the consignor, this thread would likely have suppressed the realized price - I would speculate that is the reason it was pulled.

Now how about pulling that "Fleet Walker" photo?

It's more probably that he is trying to get back in good faith with us so that he can do this again in the future with a more credible piece. If such consignors would just be happy with the AH accepting their piece, keep quiet here and take the money from the auction, they would be better off. But like those before him, they try to drum up bidders here in the forum, showing no respect for our intelligence.

Note to EVAJOY91 and others: we're better at this than the auction houses.

[hugginsandscott]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Agreed on your latter point. As for the consignor, this thread would likely have suppressed the realized price - I would speculate that is the reason it was pulled.

Now how about pulling that "Fleet Walker" photo?

Mark,
I didn't pull it, but I modified the description to reflect that it's not Walker, but an unknown African American ball player.

Thanks again for your great and diligent work.
Josh

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

Net54 members, today I asked Bill Huggins to pull this shoeless Joe Jackson military panoramic photograph from his upcoming auction. I will further my research because I believe that this is Shoeless Joe. I thank you all for your information and want to thank Hugging & Scott who stood by me till I asked them to pull the item at 12:10pm today Tuesday Sept, 16, 2014.

So you still think it is Shoeless Joe Jackson even though the EARS PROVE 100% that it's not him... WOW! I think you need glasses.

[hugginsandscott]

Thanks for all your input. With agreement from the consignor, we are pulling the Joe Jackson military panoramic from the auction.
Josh

[Tigerden]

Originally Posted by blackbetsy

On another Joe Jackson note, I have a photo up for sale on the upcoming RMY Auctions. It is of Joe and his 1925 Waycross (GA) Coastliners team. You can see it here at: http://blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/new-...al-cropped.jpg
I acquired this from the grandson of the editor (during Joe's playing days there) of the Waycross Journal Herald newspaper. This is the only known copy to exist as it was not sent out over the wire services by the small town newspaper. Just in case anyone here may be interested in obtaining a REAL image with Joe Jackson in it (Jackson, third from right in photo).

Mike Nola
Official Historian
Shoeless Joe Jackson's Virtual Hall of Fame
http://www.blackbetsy.com

Wow Mike. That is an incredible and I mean incredible Type 1 photo of the real Joe Jackson. Thanks for sharing. That should garner serious interest. A true beauty and in a baseball uniform as opposed to a military (not Joe Jackson) uniform. Adam

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

At least with respect to photo ID, it seems there has been a significant improvement in auction house behavior in recent years. This change is correlated with (and likely influenced by) the emergence of at least several people outside of the AHs who have demonstrated that they are really good at this. That has fostered an increase in both healthy skepticism at auction houses and a general improvement in photo ID skills among the collecting population.

I have been fortunate to participate in all this as a consultant on early baseball photo ID to collectors, auction houses (including Huggins and Scott), major libraries (Library of Congress, Boston Public Library),authors, and most importantly I have written more articles on this subject than I can count for SABR. As such, I am more than willing to match my skills against deluded collectors and German vase enthusiasts.

It is the behavior of the auction house with respect to this photo and the “Fleet Walker” image that is most disturbing. The wholly irrational commentary posted here by the AH in response to arguments of well-known experts is appalling and should be embarrassing. Mike Nola has shown himself to be a high quality researcher and he is probably the preeminent Joe Jackson expert, and Dave Grob is the best memorabilia researcher and authenticator I know of. Add to that the ear discrepancy, and you have one of the worst examples of nonsense that I have seen on net54.

Mar.kFim0ff
co-chairman
SABR – Pictrorial History Committee

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=178305

They have had quite a few....

Some other classics that may have been missed.

http://aug14.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=71538

The sign is early 20th at best, a little research will show you that the producer of the sign was Belgian company that wasn't even up and running big till the 20's/30's and was a tin producer of lots of things such as cocoa tins.

Not everything that has the W.D. & H.O. Wills LTD. "Pirate Cigarettes" brand is connected directly to the T215 issue of cards but in the H&S world it is. When the current winner of this sign figures out what he bought and does a little digging overseas....he's going to find he may have paid a tad too much.

I get that not every auction house can do hours of research on every item they sell they may not have the man power etc. But at the very least don't make up stuff, just say early 20th Pirate Cigarettes sign...why jump to T215 era and big stories. Just like with the Wagner partial back...just say miscut Bowerman all the fantasy stuff is really insulting.