Goudey 1933 PSA 9s--Many ungraded out there?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There are plenty more residing in PSA 5-6 holders, waiting to be trimmed. The 1933 Goudey population is filled with altered cards.

Who would do such a thing? Nobody you know, I hope.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who would do such a thing? Nobody you know, I hope.

Do such a thing or buy such a thing? Maybe some people you know.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Moi? I only know the hobby's great guys.

[calvindog]

Well, you know me and it's true, I don't collect high grade 33 Goudeys anymore.

[ls7plus]

I'm with Jeff on this one. IMHO, the population of true "8's" and "9's" is going to be very, very small, with perhaps some exceptions, such as 1915 Cracker Jack (available from the factory without first having been packaged in the product), but it will still appear to grow as the card alteration artists' methods continue to evolve. Their NMT-MT and better creations have and will continue to escape attention by the graders in a significant number of cases. I like to stick with significant cards (HOF'ers, and best of all, their rookie cards, when possible) that are rare in any grade. To me, eye appeal triumphs over technical grade insofar as really rare cards are concerned. My two cents!

Highest regards,

Larry

[GregMitch34]

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

Because I've spoken to people who alter 1933 Goudeys.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

I happen to know that a former dealer in my area who habitually engaged in the process managed to have a 1941 Play Ball Williams graded by PSA as NMT 7, and a '55 Topps Jackie Robinson graded PSA 8. They also dealt in Goudeys, and it would be awfully naive to think the latter were not included in their wares.

Highest regards,

Larry