Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

VAYankee · #1 02-01-2015, 01:24 PM

Well, I already addressed this issue earlier, so I'm not sure what else to say to "prove" that I'm not just fishing. I can address a few more recent comments,
1. I did not know about the balls being on Coaches Corner
2. I did not know of Coaches Corner before I started this thread
3. I did some of my own research, albeit crude perhaps in the eyes of the more experienced members here on Net54 - again, noting in my original post I said I thought the Halper LOA was a fake.
4. For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind a Walter Johnson or Ty Cobb ball either, just not my first choice. I grew up in Jersey as a fan of the Yankees and Ruth and Gehrig were always the "ones to get" at some point. I clearly understand they are not necessarily the most valuable all things considered.
5. I generally don't mind those questioning my intentions, frankly, I can respect that. That's the trait, which has made this forum as successful as it's been. However, I'm not sure what else I can say to "prove" myself to you all. I've provided quite a bit of info for someone that was just "fishing".
6. I've stuck with this thread all the way through. Had I been fishing, I suppose I would have left a long time ago.

thetruthisoutthere · #2 02-01-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VAYankee

Well, I already addressed this issue earlier, so I'm not sure what else to say to "prove" that I'm not just fishing. I can address a few more recent comments,
1. I did not know about the balls being on Coaches Corner
2. I did not know of Coaches Corner before I started this thread
3. I did some of my own research, albeit crude perhaps in the eyes of the more experienced members here on Net54 - again, noting in my original post I said I thought the Halper LOA was a fake.
4. For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind a Walter Johnson or Ty Cobb ball either, just not my first choice. I grew up in Jersey as a fan of the Yankees and Ruth and Gehrig were always the "ones to get" at some point. I clearly understand they are not necessarily the most valuable all things considered.
5. I generally don't mind those questioning my intentions, frankly, I can respect that. That's the trait, which has made this forum as successful as it's been. However, I'm not sure what else I can say to "prove" myself to you all. I've provided quite a bit of info for someone that was just "fishing".
6. I've stuck with this thread all the way through. Had I been fishing, I suppose I would have left a long time ago.

So is it possible for you to tell us the source offering these items to you?

VAYankee · #3 02-01-2015, 01:43 PM

I did that already. Joe DiMaggio Estate. And, other posters already discussed them as well.

VAYankee · #4 02-01-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VAYankee

I did that already. Joe DiMaggio Estate. And, other posters already discussed them as well.

...and, JDE said they were selling on behalf of one of their former customers.

jgmp123 · #5 02-01-2015, 01:55 PM

Could you ask JDE for a contact name and phone # to call about the ball?

VAYankee · #6 02-01-2015, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Could you ask JDE for a contact name and phone # to call about the ball?

Sure. I suppose that's probably a reasonable request.

VAYankee · #7 02-01-2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123

Could you ask JDE for a contact name and phone # to call about the ball?

Below is the response I received to whether or not I could speak to the seller...

"There is not. The seller has hired us as his Broker for sale of these baseballs.. It is like a real estate broker who has listing. Potential buyers don�t speak to the sellers�there dealings are directly with the broker, who serves as an intermediary between the 2 parties. Moreover, since the seller is selling this thru consignment with us, and who knows who else, there is no way we would put the seller and buyer together, where hypothetically they could work a deal between themselves, and cut us out of the picture.

You have been provided a certificate for the Ruth bb, which is sold. We did talk to the seller and asked him about the LOA for the Gehrig bb. The seller said it was the same type of LOA for the Gehrig bb, which he said he would gladly send off with the Gehrig bb to us, should you decide to pull the trigger. You have also been provided with the chain of ownership from the current owner, to Barry Halper, to Ken Smith�who at one time was Director of the Baseball HOF. We have had buyers already who have bought the Maris bb, the Ruth bb, and the Jackie Robinson bb, who had less information than you have on the Gehrig bb. Frankly, we believe you have enough information to be able to decide whether to purchase or not."

David Atkatz · #8 02-01-2015, 04:56 PM

This is all total bullshit. Halper never issued certificates. Neither did Ken Smith. And, quite conveniently, they are both deceased. Guess no one will be checking with them.

thetruthisoutthere · #9 02-01-2015, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Below is the response I received to whether or not I could speak to the seller...

"There is not. The seller has hired us as his Broker for sale of these baseballs.. It is like a real estate broker who has listing. Potential buyers don�t speak to the sellers�there dealings are directly with the broker, who serves as an intermediary between the 2 parties. Moreover, since the seller is selling this thru consignment with us, and who knows who else, there is no way we would put the seller and buyer together, where hypothetically they could work a deal between themselves, and cut us out of the picture.

You have been provided a certificate for the Ruth bb, which is sold. We did talk to the seller and asked him about the LOA for the Gehrig bb. The seller said it was the same type of LOA for the Gehrig bb, which he said he would gladly send off with the Gehrig bb to us, should you decide to pull the trigger. You have also been provided with the chain of ownership from the current owner, to Barry Halper, to Ken Smith�who at one time was Director of the Baseball HOF. We have had buyers already who have bought the Maris bb, the Ruth bb, and the Jackie Robinson bb, who had less information than you have on the Gehrig bb. Frankly, we believe you have enough information to be able to decide whether to purchase or not."

You should direct the "broker" to this thread.

jgmp123 · #10 02-02-2015, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Below is the response I received to whether or not I could speak to the seller...

"There is not. The seller has hired us as his Broker for sale of these baseballs.. It is like a real estate broker who has listing. Potential buyers don�t speak to the sellers�there dealings are directly with the broker, who serves as an intermediary between the 2 parties. Moreover, since the seller is selling this thru consignment with us, and who knows who else, there is no way we would put the seller and buyer together, where hypothetically they could work a deal between themselves, and cut us out of the picture.

You have been provided a certificate for the Ruth bb, which is sold. We did talk to the seller and asked him about the LOA for the Gehrig bb. The seller said it was the same type of LOA for the Gehrig bb, which he said he would gladly send off with the Gehrig bb to us, should you decide to pull the trigger. You have also been provided with the chain of ownership from the current owner, to Barry Halper, to Ken Smith�who at one time was Director of the Baseball HOF. We have had buyers already who have bought the Maris bb, the Ruth bb, and the Jackie Robinson bb, who had less information than you have on the Gehrig bb. Frankly, we believe you have enough information to be able to decide whether to purchase or not."

How about an associate that you can speak with live on the phone - Name and phone number...

Klrdds · #11 02-01-2015, 02:01 PM

If you are sincere and not fishing then my recommendation is to educate yourself to gain confidence in your opinion first, and then rely on this site to confirm your opinion, not the other way around. Get resources such as Ron K's book ( use it as a reference but not an end all be all decision maker ), go to PSA autograph facts web page, check out Hauls of Shame web site, and get in with Richard Simon and Jim Stinson as dealers on this stuff, and trust a few AHs, and learn not to rely on TPAs or COAs.
If you not an experienced collector buying a Ruth or Gehrig item, let alone a ball, it can cost you several thousands of dollars in mistakes.....somewhat like being signed to a MLB contract at 17 yo and going straight to the majors and facing MLB pitching ...you will get burned.
Remember any purchase you make good or bad is still yours no matter what this site or others say.

VAYankee · #12 02-01-2015, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klrdds

If you are sincere and not fishing then my recommendation is to educate yourself to gain confidence in your opinion first, and then rely on this site to confirm your opinion, not the other way around. Get resources such as Ron K's book ( use it as a reference but not an end all be all decision maker ), go to PSA autograph facts web page, check out Hauls of Shame web site, and get in with Richard Simon and Jim Stinson as dealers on this stuff, and trust a few AHs, and learn not to rely on TPAs or COAs.
If you not an experienced collector buying a Ruth or Gehrig item, let alone a ball, it can cost you several thousands of dollars in mistakes.....somewhat like being signed to a MLB contract at 17 yo and going straight to the majors and facing MLB pitching ...you will get burned.
Remember any purchase you make good or bad is still yours no matter what this site or others say.

Thanks. I did do some research before coming here. In fact, that's what led me here. I've done some of the things already that you've listed - reviewed the PSA website, read lots of stuff on Hauls of Same (although it's hard to tell if Nash is being completely objective - he's not the most upstanding citizen either), I trust Hunt Auctions, Lelands and Heritage, although I haven't purchased anything from Heritage yet, although I admittedly rely on TPA/COAs from PSA more than I should. That said, I don't trust JSA certs as much, I don't have any concrete reason why, other than it seems he certifies everything. Could just be my perspective. Perhaps I have it all backwards - I should trust JSA more than PSA. No doubt I need to do more research, especially after this thread. I'm glad I trusted my instincts that the Ruth ball was fake and came here to confirm my suspicions.

shelly · #13 02-01-2015, 04:39 PM

If you really did your work. Those two items should have never been posted with the question are they authentic.
The other thing you should do check out JDE. They are as bad as CC.

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