OT - Patriots Deflate Report

kcohen · #1 05-12-2015, 06:12 PM

If the report exonerates the Patriots of wrongdoing or of having knowledge of what may have happened, how is fining the team and taking draft choices justified?

As to Brady, the report contains a lot of weasel wording (e.g. probably knew) and given the NFL's procedural incompetence regarding ball chain of custody, and an investigative report that is riddled with holes, I think that the suspension will eventually be walked back to two games.

I think the commish overreached here in reaction to the mud on his face from the Ray Rice case.

For the record, not a Pats fan, so I don't have a dog in this race. I'm a Redskins fan, so I don't have a dog in any race

nolemmings · #2 05-12-2015, 07:43 PM

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If the report exonerates the Patriots of wrongdoing or of having knowledge of what may have happened, how is fining the team and taking draft choices justified?

I don't believe it exonerates the Patriots for the acts of its equipment-handling employees, and team punishment is based on some sort of negligent supervision or other failure to properly oversee their work. IMO, the reason Belichek likely avoided penalties is because although it happened on his watch, the bad acts were performed either by a player (which by definition is not management) and/or by team personnel that he did not hire and control, unlike what happened to Sean Payton, whose hand-picked assistants were at the root of the Bountygate problem.

rdwyer · #3 05-12-2015, 07:48 PM

You tell um Joe.

Brian Van Horn · #4 05-13-2015, 05:46 AM

Good point, Joe. Now, in a related story, New England just got a new shipment of.....you guessed it......balls:

yanks12025 · #5 05-13-2015, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kcohen

If the report exonerates the Patriots of wrongdoing or of having knowledge of what may have happened, how is fining the team and taking draft choices justified?

As to Brady, the report contains a lot of weasel wording (e.g. probably knew) and given the NFL's procedural incompetence regarding ball chain of custody, and an investigative report that is riddled with holes, I think that the suspension will eventually be walked back to two games.

I think the commish overreached here in reaction to the mud on his face from the Ray Rice case.

For the record, not a Pats fan, so I don't have a dog in this race. I'm a Redskins fan, so I don't have a dog in any race

You do know the commish didn't decided on the 4 games.

kcohen · #6 05-13-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by yanks12025

You do know the commish didn't decided on the 4 games.

Than who DID decided on the 4 games? Maybe I missed something.

In any case, the suspension IMO will be at a minimum reduced, and most likely overturned.

Frank A · #7 05-13-2015, 10:45 AM

Anyone with a brain knows that if you inflate a ball or anything else in a warm room and then take it out in cold weather it will drop in poundage. There is no one to blame but the refs. this is stupid beyond belief.

packs · #8 05-13-2015, 12:25 PM

Do you really think the deflation was a natural occurrence? Even after knowing that there were text messages between equipment managers specifically related to deflating the footballs to Brady's liking? I'm just curious how you can maintain that the footballs deflated naturally despite explicit text messages that say otherwise from the people who handle equipment.

vintagetoppsguy · #9 05-13-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank A

Anyone with a brain knows that if you inflate a ball or anything else in a warm room and then take it out in cold weather it will drop in poundage.

True. But you have to look at the flip side of it too. If you take the same footballs that you're saying lost pressure due to the cold weather and move them back into a warm room (which was done for testing purposes at half time), the footballs should then gain pressure due to expansion from the warm air. Is this not true? Then how can you blame the weather???

perezfan · #10 05-13-2015, 01:12 PM

Ask "The Deflator"

steve B · #11 05-13-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

True. But you have to look at the flip side of it too. If you take the same footballs that you're saying lost pressure due to the cold weather and move them back into a warm room (which was done for testing purposes at half time), the footballs should then gain pressure due to expansion from the warm air. Is this not true? Then how can you blame the weather???

A few minutes inside won't warm them to room temperature, an hour + outside is enough to cool them completely.

An interesting take here on a few inconsistencies in the report. Not all of the reporters points are valid, but some seem to be. I especially don't think numbers 10 and 3 are valid. The rest seem to make at least some sense.

Steve B
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015...ys-suspension/

#12 05-13-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank A

Anyone with a brain knows that if you inflate a ball or anything else in a warm room and then take it out in cold weather it will drop in poundage. There is no one to blame but the refs. this is stupid beyond belief.

Excellent! Now, can you explain the Mpemba Effect?

Tabe · #13 05-15-2015, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kcohen

Than who DID decided on the 4 games? Maybe I missed something.

Troy Vincent handles suspensions.

vintagetoppsguy · #14 07-29-2015, 12:57 PM

This thread summarized:
Patriots are CHEATERS
Brady suspended
Suspension upheld
Justice served
End of story

Peter_Spaeth · #15 07-29-2015, 01:36 PM

My summary: the NFL does not care about real issues like head trauma to players, or domestic violence. Ray Rice two games for beating the crap out of his fianc�e, Tom Brady four for "probably" knowing about taking a little air out of a football. End of story.

packs · #16 07-29-2015, 01:41 PM

Man it drives me nuts that people still don't think he knew about the footballs.

bnorth · #17 07-29-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My summary: the NFL does not care about real issues like head trauma to players, or domestic violence. Ray Rice two games for beating the crap out of his fianc�e, Tom Brady four for "probably" knowing about taking a little air out of a football. End of story.

It drives me nuts that these players make millions of dollars in a very rough sport and then are so stupid/worthless that they try to sue over head trauma.

Also how do you justify comparing Brady and the Cheatriots ruining the integrity of the game with some players off the field actions. Yes they done horrible things but in no way did it affect the outcome of a single game.

Dan Carson · #18 07-29-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My summary: the NFL does not care about real issues like head trauma to players, or domestic violence. Ray Rice two games for beating the crap out of his fianc�e, Tom Brady four for "probably" knowing about taking a little air out of a football. End of story.

Are you suggesting Tom Brady beat the tar out of his wife??

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