T206 / Old Judge pack question

[oldjudge]

To find an unopened pack is pretty rare. Leon is right, Alan Rosen had a pack that was found in the mid-1990s that was unopened. It was opened at a show and had a rare card inside(Alcott-Mansfields). The card was heavily tobacco stained on the back, but SGC unexplainably gave it an SGC96 grade, I believe. The pack contained an N173 redemption list and an Goodwin & Co coupon, in addition to the card.
Opened Old Judge packs are not that scarce. The slabbed one that Joe has posted a picture of was an opened pack.

[jp1216]

SGC POP report shows a 98! with the next highest being a 60.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by jp1216

SGC POP report shows a 98! with the next highest being a 60.

It was a 98 and sold for close to $10,000 I believe, at least that was the asking price. I have a nice Mansfield card, would probably grade close to a 60, if not a grade higher, but I have no plans of grading it. The white marks on the scans aren't on the card, except the the one on the right border(middle) and the back is clean.

[Joe_G.]

Here is a better image of the pack I posted (easier to see "EMPTY").



I'm not aware of any remaining unopened OJ packs that may contain a baseball card (1886-1890).

[MW1]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

To find an unopened pack is pretty rare. Leon is right, Alan Rosen had a pack that was found in the mid-1990s that was unopened. It was opened at a show and had a rare card inside(Alcott-Mansfields). The card was heavily tobacco stained on the back, but SGC unexplainably gave it an SGC96 grade, I believe. The pack contained an N173 redemption list and an Goodwin & Co coupon, in addition to the card.
Opened Old Judge packs are not that scarce. The slabbed one that Joe has posted a picture of was an opened pack.

The N172 Alcott was graded a 98 by SGC but it was the old label...before Derek and Lee were the principal graders.

I don't have a scan of the back of the card but I don't recall it being heavily stained. Moderately might be a better word. The corners were pretty sharp. It sold in August of 2002 for $6910. I don't have a record of any sales after that. All things considered, a pretty rare card in that grade.

[Leon]

If I remember correctly that card has one small circular type stain on the back. I don't think you can get a more clear image on a card. It is gorgeous, thanks for posting it MW....

Originally Posted by MW1

The N172 Alcott was graded a 98 by SGC but it was the old label...before Derek and Lee were the principal graders.

I don't have a scan of the back of the card but I don't recall it being heavily stained. Moderately might be a better word. The corners were pretty sharp. It sold in August of 2002 for $6910. I don't have a record of any sales after that. All things considered, a pretty rare card in that grade.

[oldjudge]

The whole back of the card was brown from sitting close to cigarettes for over 100 years. I am very familiar with the card.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The whole back of the card was brown from sitting close to cigarettes for over 100 years. I am very familiar with the card.

Thanks Jay...I must have been thinking about a different card.

[packs]

The designation on that flip has always bothered me. Every N172 was taken from a pack. Seems superfluous.

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by packs

The designation on that flip has always bothered me. Every N172 was taken from a pack. Seems superfluous.

It would make more sense in context, as in stating the year in which it was removed.

That having been said, I don't think that makes said card any more valuable. It's just an interesting footnote.