Bill Mastro's upcoming sentencing

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

You said no way, I gave a way. He is proven (I believe) to have shilled. My restitution may not be perfect but it seems better than what is being done.

Well yes he shilled but that does not mean every lot was shilled. So many bidders may not have been damaged at all.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well yes he shilled but that does not mean every lot was shilled. So many bidders may not have been damaged at all.

And we will never know as so many records were destroyed by them. I believe that makes my solution more equitable. It's something ..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

And we will never know as so many records were destroyed by them. I believe that makes my solution more equitable. It's something ..

It certainly would be interesting to know why the prosecution, with all the leverage it must have had, agreed to a deal with no money.

[calvindog]

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

Pretty much ...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

To some extent, but I am also pointing out that without seeing bidding records it's difficult to know if one was shill bid or not, and thus entitled to restitution (or for that matter to tell a judge how much one was hurt).

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To some extent, but I am also pointing out that without seeing bidding records it's difficult to know if one was shill bid or not, and thus entitled to restitution (or for that matter to tell a judge how much one was hurt).

agreed...I bid on and won...1...high dollar card that may/may not have been shilled...but how can I know?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

agreed...I bid on and won...1...high dollar card that may/may not have been shilled...but how can I know?

Right, that's my point. Obviously if you bid on dozens of items over the years and paid record prices it's a fair inference, but for most people they would seem to have no way of knowing.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Man all I got from Mastro recently was junk wax boxes from the 1990s..where do I send the sentencing recommendation too again?