Bill Mastro's upcoming sentencing

Leon · #1 06-30-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well yes he shilled but that does not mean every lot was shilled. So many bidders may not have been damaged at all.

And we will never know as so many records were destroyed by them. I believe that makes my solution more equitable. It's something ..

Peter_Spaeth · #2 06-30-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

And we will never know as so many records were destroyed by them. I believe that makes my solution more equitable. It's something ..

It certainly would be interesting to know why the prosecution, with all the leverage it must have had, agreed to a deal with no money.

calvindog · #3 06-30-2015, 11:05 AM

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

Leon · #4 06-30-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

Pretty much ...

Peter_Spaeth · #5 06-30-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm lost. Are you two discussing a fantasy restitution plan which will never be implemented?

To some extent, but I am also pointing out that without seeing bidding records it's difficult to know if one was shill bid or not, and thus entitled to restitution (or for that matter to tell a judge how much one was hurt).

ullmandds · #6 06-30-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To some extent, but I am also pointing out that without seeing bidding records it's difficult to know if one was shill bid or not, and thus entitled to restitution (or for that matter to tell a judge how much one was hurt).

agreed...I bid on and won...1...high dollar card that may/may not have been shilled...but how can I know?

Peter_Spaeth · #7 06-30-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

agreed...I bid on and won...1...high dollar card that may/may not have been shilled...but how can I know?

Right, that's my point. Obviously if you bid on dozens of items over the years and paid record prices it's a fair inference, but for most people they would seem to have no way of knowing.

calvindog · #8 06-30-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, that's my point. Obviously if you bid on dozens of items over the years and paid record prices it's a fair inference, but for most people they would seem to have no way of knowing.

What about the lots in which the fraud is easily determined? Countless numbers of lots in which Bill/Mastro were the first underbidders? Are those also impossible to determine loss amount? Why no restitution for even those victims?

Again, this thread is not to rub our temples and discuss fantasy restitution scenarios which will not only have zero chance of coming to fruition but will not even be presented to the judge --- unless you actually write a letter to the judge.

Leon · #9 06-30-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, that's my point. Obviously if you bid on dozens of items over the years and paid record prices it's a fair inference, but for most people they would seem to have no way of knowing.

Thanks for continuing to support my case

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