Altered high grade E93s in Mile High?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

personally I think they are not capable of detecting such alterations.

It's hard to understand. They have some very experienced people, and you would hope that before giving NINES to very expensive cards, that are almost never seen in that grade, those people would be consulted and that these weren't just the decision of a novice or low level grader. On the other hand, the conspiracy version of the explanation isn't really credible either.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's hard to understand. They have some very experienced people, and you would hope that before giving NINES to very expensive cards, that are almost never seen in that grade, those people would be consulted and that these weren't just the decision of a novice or low level grader. On the other hand, the conspiracy version of the explanation isn't really credible either.

i agree Peter...maybe they funnel such cards as these to the inexperienced graders so the likelihood of them passing muster is greater???

[Peter_Spaeth]

If these cards get pulled, and if PSA is called upon to reimburse the consignor, the bill could be hefty.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i agree Peter...maybe they funnel such cards as these to the inexperienced graders so the likelihood of them passing muster is greater???

I would assume that multiple people would have to review a card like this, given the highest grade it has ever received. I have called PSA to check the status of a submission and told it was waiting for someone else to review it. And this was a card only worth a few hundred bucks.

To let someone inexperienced encase a card with a grade that will instantly make it worth 30-50k, or more, would seem to undermine the credibility of the entire company.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i agree Peter...maybe they funnel such cards as these to the inexperienced graders so the likelihood of them passing muster is greater???

Look at the sub, well one of them anyhow. Not the type to get kicked down to the basement. I would not think. These aren't 80s commons.
PSA Certficiation Check




Cert Year Brand Player Variety Grade

15132902 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL NAP LAJOIE NM-MT 8
15132903 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL FRED CLARKE NM-MT+ 8.5
15132904 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL FRANK CHANCE EX 5
15132905 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL CLARK GRIFFITH NM-MT 8
15132906
15132907
15132908
15132909 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL HONUS WAGNER NM+ 7.5
15132910 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL TY COBB MINT 9
15132911 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL CHRISTY MATHEWSON MINT 9
15132912 1911 M116 SPORTING LIFE JIMMY WALSH GOOD 2
15132913 1948 BOWMAN HERMAN WEHMEIER MINT 9
15132914 1948 BOWMAN JOE PAGE NM-MT+ 8.5
15132915 1948 BOWMAN FRANK SHEA GEM MT 10
15132916 1948 BOWMAN WARREN SPAHN NM 7
15132917
15132918 1948 BOWMAN RALPH KINER NM-MT 8
15132919 1948 BOWMAN NM-MT+ 8.5
15132920

[ullmandds]

im the wrong kind of doctor!

[ullmandds]

i'm just talking out loud here...trying to hypothesize what may have occurred.

If it were MY grading company you can be assured the best graders as well as myself would see these uber high grade rarities prior to grading them.

Since I don't own PSA...I cannot begin to guess how they handle their business...but from all of the errors I've seen them make...and other shenanigans...I have no idea what to make of this??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'm just talking out loud here...trying to hypothesize what may have occurred.

If it were MY grading company you can be assured the best graders as well as myself would see these uber high grade rarities prior to grading them.

Since I don't own PSA...I cannot begin to guess how they handle their business...but from all of the errors I've seen them make...and other shenanigans...I have no idea what to make of this??

None of the plausible explanations look good for them. One, their best graders missed it. Two, it was signed off on by lesser graders. Three, not sure what three is. We won't hear from them of course, so we will just have to speculate.

[calvindog]

Any question in anyone's mind that these cards aren't pulled from the auction?

[bbcemporium]

If these cards were only soaked in water (not a chemical), which alteration is PSA expected to find?

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look at the sub, well one of them anyhow. Not the type to get kicked down to the basement. I would not think. These aren't 80s commons.
PSA Certficiation Check




Cert Year Brand Player Variety Grade

15132902 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL NAP LAJOIE NM-MT 8
15132903 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL FRED CLARKE NM-MT+ 8.5
15132904 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL FRANK CHANCE EX 5
15132905 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL CLARK GRIFFITH NM-MT 8
15132906
15132907
15132908
15132909 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL HONUS WAGNER NM+ 7.5
15132910 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL TY COBB MINT 9
15132911 1910 E93 STANDARD CARAMEL CHRISTY MATHEWSON MINT 9
15132912 1911 M116 SPORTING LIFE JIMMY WALSH GOOD 2
15132913 1948 BOWMAN HERMAN WEHMEIER MINT 9
15132914 1948 BOWMAN JOE PAGE NM-MT+ 8.5
15132915 1948 BOWMAN FRANK SHEA GEM MT 10
15132916 1948 BOWMAN WARREN SPAHN NM 7
15132917
15132918 1948 BOWMAN RALPH KINER NM-MT 8
15132919 1948 BOWMAN NM-MT+ 8.5
15132920

Out of curiosity, what is up with the randomly skipped Certs? Cards that got rejected for some reason?

DJ

[glchen]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Out of curiosity, what is up with the randomly skipped Certs? Cards that got rejected for some reason?

DJ

The randomly skipped cert #'s would either be cards that were rejected for some reason or cards that were graded, but later cracked out and the cert's sent back to PSA (e.g. to try for re-submission).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glchen

The randomly skipped cert #'s would either be cards that were rejected for some reason or cards that were graded, but later cracked out and the cert's sent back to PSA (e.g. to try for re-submission).

Why would someone trying to get a better grade send in the old cert.? In that case why not just submit for a bump?

[swarmee]

Either reason: sending to SGC and want an "unbiased" grade, or sending back to PSA but would rather crack out and try again then send back in for review.