Future HOFers

Jlighter · #1 08-24-2015, 02:48 PM

Has Markakis even made an All-Star Game?

Millwood???

trdcrdkid · #2 08-24-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jlighter

Has Markakis even made an All-Star Game?

Markakis has been a pretty decent player for a decade -- .291 lifetime BA, .788 OPS, a couple of Gold Gloves -- but there's no way he's a HOFer unless he turns into a major late bloomer and plays another 10-15 years.

rats60 · #3 08-25-2015, 07:55 AM

A guy who hasn't been mentioned, Andrew Jones. He has a lot better chance than most names people are throwing out. One of the 3 best defensive outfielders all time, with Clemente and Mays, plus a very good hitter in his prime.

If David Ortiz is a hofer, then so are Norm Cash, Fred McGriff, Will Clark and Keith Hernandez. The voters who are likely to over look his doping are going to look at his 49 war and see him as a poor man's Mark McGwire

Peter_Spaeth · #4 08-25-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

A guy who hasn't been mentioned, Andrew Jones. He has a lot better chance than most names people are throwing out. One of the 3 best defensive outfielders all time, with Clemente and Mays, plus a very good hitter in his prime.

He had some nice years but with a .254 career BA, and 1900 hits, he isn't getting into any Hall of Fame. EDIT TO ADD I am a Red Sox fan but I agree about Ortiz -- in my opinion he is in that host of guys a step below, even without regard to the PED issue. McGriff as mentioned, Delgado comes to mind, maybe Giambi. He has some big enough looking numbers but they don't translate that well according to the Baseball Reference metrics. He is popular though.

Black Ink Batting - 16 (144), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 138 (96), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 48 (94), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS First Base (33rd), 49.0 career WAR/33.3 7yr-peak WAR/41.1 JAWS

rats60 · #5 08-25-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He had some nice years but with a .254 career BA, and 1900 hits, he isn't getting into any Hall of Fame. EDIT TO ADD I am a Red Sox fan but I agree about Ortiz -- in my opinion he is in that host of guys a step below, even without regard to the PED issue. McGriff as mentioned, Delgado comes to mind, maybe Giambi. He has some big enough looking numbers but they don't translate that well according to the Baseball Reference metrics. He is popular though.

Black Ink Batting - 16 (144), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 138 (96), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 48 (94), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS First Base (33rd), 49.0 career WAR/33.3 7yr-peak WAR/41.1 JAWS

A JONES has a higher WAR and JAWS than most of the names being thrown out. If you don't think he's a hofer, fine. Then so aren't 80-90% of the names being thrown out.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 08-25-2015, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

A JONES has a higher WAR and JAWS than most of the names being thrown out. If you don't think he's a hofer, fine. Then so aren't 80-90% of the names being thrown out.

Yeah I would agree with you, many of the names mentioned are just not worthy.

packs · #7 08-25-2015, 08:30 AM

I don't think Mauer will get in. He had some great years as an elite catcher but I don't think it was enough. People have already forgotten for the most part.

Just to jump in on the Halladay discussion. Guidry's career is not at all comparable. Guidry did not pitch at the height of the steroid era or enjoy the separation amongst pitchers that Halladay did. Halladay led the league in complete games and shutouts 4 times in the same season during his career. He was a different breed of pitcher in his time, and that makes him much better than Guidry.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 08-25-2015, 08:42 AM

I would agree Halladay was better, but Guidry had some fabulous seasons and I don't think the difference is as dramatic as you say.

HOF Auto Rookies · #9 08-25-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I don't think Mauer will get in. He had some great years as an elite catcher but I don't think it was enough. People have already forgotten for the most part.

But the things he did for those years no catcher had ever done before.

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