Football Hall of Fame Rookie Cards Collection

[jefferyepayne]

There are seven HOFers I haven't been able to identify a card/matchbook/premium for:

Guy Chamberlain
Jimmy Conzelman
Joe Guyon
Ed Healey
Tuffy Leemans
Fritz Pollard
George Trafton

I have team photos that have these players on them but no individual items. You can find vintage photos of these players, though.

jeff

Originally Posted by DezHood

I really like this set:http://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistr...on.aspx?c=3658 for a much easier challenge that still includes a bunch of great players. And only the Hutson and Hein are.... "contrived" rookies.

So who would be the tough HOFers in a real earliest item HOF set? And the set wouldn't be all cards, right? Probably about 20 matchbooks? And how many photos? Would anyone be impossible? George Trafton?

[spec]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

There are seven HOFers I haven't been able to identify a card/matchbook/premium for:

Guy Chamberlain
Jimmy Conzelman
Joe Guyon
Ed Healey
Tuffy Leemans
Fritz Pollard
George Trafton

I have team photos that have these players on them but no individual items. You can find vintage photos of these players, though.

jeff

Jeff,
Leemans is in an obscure Wheaties premium set issued c. 1941.
Bo.b Rich.ardson

[revmoran]

Never saw that Wheaties premium before - who else is in the set?

For your list, Jeff, I've collected programs and autographs - Pollard is the toughest autograph of that group - I picked up a notarized cemetery deed and this postcard he sent to his son from Italy

[TanksAndSpartans]

Thanks guys! Down to 6 - not bad.

Mike, I actually looked up Pollard recently - I was actually just digging into the 1920 season and Pollard's team won the title - of course there was no MVP, but he arguably may have been. At around the 6 minute mark in this video: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...en-trailblazer you can see #1 returning a kick, but disappointingly they really don't tell you what they are showing.... I didn't think they had much video from the 20s....

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by revmoran

Never saw that Wheaties premium before - who else is in the set?

For your list, Jeff, I've collected programs and autographs - Pollard is the toughest autograph of that group - I picked up a notarized cemetery deed and this postcard he sent to his son from Italy

Great stuff, Mike! I'm still kicking myself for not going harder after the signed Pollard cabinet that came up a while ago. You mention Pollard and Robeson. Here are a couple of photos of have:

Pollard (far right) with son's football team.



Paul Robeson.



jeff

[TanksAndSpartans]

Jeff, probably a stupid question, but what's the difference between a cabinet, a photo, and a premium? My guess is they are all photos, but when we say premium, it means a photo issued by a company for collectors. Cabinet I have no idea....

[davemri]

Nice list guys. Ive nevers seen the Leemans card either. Very nice.

Here is a virtual collection of some of the pre rookies being discussed.

http://imageevent.com/davemri/footba...rookiefootball

[S_GERACE]

Hi Dave,
Can you please tell me more about that Sporting Life Lombardi card in your slideshow? Is that a fantasy card? I've never seen or heard of anything like it! Thanks very much.
Regards,
Scott

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by DezHood

Jeff, probably a stupid question, but what's the difference between a cabinet, a photo, and a premium? My guess is they are all photos, but when we say premium, it means a photo issued by a company for collectors. Cabinet I have no idea....

Here is a great reference that discusses various types of early photographs.

http://www.cycleback.com/photoguide/mounted.htm

Essentially a cabinet is a photo mounted on a cardboard backing that was popular in the late 1800s/early 1900s. A cabinet card has a certain size photo (4 1/2 x 6 1/2). Larger sized mounted cabinets are called imperial cabinets. Cabinets replaced the smaller cartes de visite (CDVs) that were popular in the 1850s-1870s.

Cabinets often have the name of the photographer on the front or back.

Some examples:









jeff

[davemri]

This is a list I had posted on another message board in 2013. I'm sure there are a few additions that have been mentioned that need to be added.


Im posting this to get some discussion going at Jeff Paynes request. I have this list saved on my computer and I assume I have posted it before but I couldn't find the old post? Anyway, Jeff wants to come up with a pre rookie HOF list and this is the start I have. Can anyone add to or change anything I may have incorrect? THanks!

There are many different definitions of a "rookie card". Not everyone can agree on which issue should be considered a RC card. The list below is the one I have come up with that I would like to add to my collection. The thing about this list is that it is virtually impossible to complete. Although each card exist's, many only have a few know examples.

Here is my want/dream list..... Each selection is the first time each player has been on some type of cardboard. The players listed below are listed on the HOF website as "PRE MODERN ERA PLAYERS"

1912 Olympic Postcard Jim Thorpe
1919 Zeenut Paddy Driscoll (baseball)
1926 Spalding Promo Red Grange or 1926 Shotwell #11 Ad Back (my favorite of the set)or W590
1926 Spalding Ernie Nevers
1926 Spalding Benny Friedman
1927 W560 Ken Strong
1928 Star Candy Paddy Driscoll
1929 Albert Richards All American Bronko Nagurski or 1933 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Curly Lambeau
1931 Walkers Cleaners Arnie Herber or 1933 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Blood McNally or 1934 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Mike Michalske
1931 Walkers Cleaners Cal Hubbard or 1933 Matchbook
1933 Matchbook Morris "Red" Badgro
1933 Matchbook Cliff Battles
1933 Matchbook Ray Flaherty
1933 Matchbook Mel Hein
1933 Matchbook Bill Hewitt
1933 Matchbook Clarke Hinkle
1933 Matchbook Turk Edwards
1933 Matchbook Steve Owen (coach but listed as player on HOF website)
1934 Matchbook Walt Keisling
1934 Matchbook Link Lyman
1934 Matchbook George Musso
1935 Wheaties Don Hutson
1935 Matchbook Dutch Clark or 35 Chicle
1936 Matchbook Joe Stydahar
1936 Matchbook Dan Fortmann
1936 Wheaties Wayne Millner
1938 Dixie Lids Sammy Baugh or DL Premium
1938 Matchbook Alex Wojciechowicz
1941 Wheaties Premium Tuffy Leemans
1948 Colts Matchbook YA Tittle (or a 1949 Silbers)
1948 Leaf Bill Dudley
1948 Leaf Sid Luckman
1948 Leaf George McAfee
1948 Leaf Steve VanBuren
1948 Bowman Bulldog Turner
1950 Bowman Tony Canadeo
1952 Bowman George Halas (coach but listed as player on HOF website)
1955 Topps AA Fats Henry (NON CONTEMPORARY)
1955 Topps AA Bruiser Kinard (NON CONTEMPORARY)
1955 Topps AA Ace Parker (NON CONTEMPORARY)

Then, there are 7 Players in which I have not been able to find any cards issued. Does anyone know of an issue that pictures the following players?

Jimmy Conzelman
Guy Chamberlain (Pictured on a Nebraska team card)
Joe Guyon (I have him on a 1917 Georgia Tech team card with coach John Heisman)
Ed Healey
Fritz Pollard
George Trafton
Bill Willis (the only "modern" era player without a card in the HOF RC set)(1949 Sohio?)



Then, There are the Pre Rookies that I want from "MODERN" era players. Again, going after the first time they were pictured on cardboard.

1946 Sears Browns Otto Graham
1946 Sears Browns Dante Lavelli
1946 Sears Browns Frank Gatski
1948 Exhibit Ollie Matson
1948 Kelloggs Pep Lou Groza
1948 Kelloggs Pep Bob Waterfield or 48 Leaf
1948 Topps Magic Photo Doak Walker or 48 Leaf
1948 Topps Magic Photo Charlie Bednarik or 48 Leaf
1950 Topps Felt Ernie Stautner
1950 Topps Felt Lou Creekmur
1950 Admiral Rams Norm Van Brocklin
1950 Admiral Rams Tom Fears or 50 bowman
1950 Admiral Rams Elroy Hirsch or 50 bowman
1948-52 Exhibits Joe Perry or 50 Bowman
1953 Rams Team Dick Night Train Lane
1959 Kahns Gene Hickerson
1960 Kahns Willie Davis
1961 National City Bank Len Dawson
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Ray Nitschke
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Willie Wood
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Herb Adderley
1962 Union Oil Lance Alworth
1962 Post Larry Wilson
1962 Post Jim Johnson
1962 Post Bob Lilly
1964 Kahns Paul Warfield
1965 Big Red Biographies Jackie Smith
1967 Royal Castle Bob Griese
1968 Corn Flakes Lem Barney
1968 Corn Flakes Larry Csonka






I have many of these on a web page for reference. I am missing a few.

[spec]

Rev,
The Wheaties premium set consists of 12 5x7 B&W photos and includes only one other football subject: coach Bernie Bierman. There are 5 baseball players (J. DiMaggio, Feller, Mize, Reiser, Williams), golfer Patty Berg and 4 of the Wheaties family (Jack Armstrong, Betty, Betty, Billy and Jim Fairfield).

[jefferyepayne]

Sweet! Thanks for the info and posting this, Bob. I've never seen that one before. Down to six:

Guy Chamberlain
Jimmy Conzelman
Joe Guyon
Ed Healey
Fritz Pollard
George Trafton

Anybody else see something out there for these guys?

jeff