Comments and thoughts needed re: PSA grading

[esehombre]

I am not real familiar with the grading game or companies but i just want to make sure i understand this.

1) You submitted an already numerically graded card by PSA (presumably hoping for a half grade bump?)

2) They received the card that they had previously graded and then claimed they could not holder the card because it did not meet their own minimum size requirements?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Well different grader different results. Go to trial in court, different judge or jury different results. I always wonder why sellers say in ebay 'candidate for a bump, I may just send in myself' I never believe that because things like what happened to you can happen to them.

There is subjective eye appeal and can be a major difference of opinion, however you would think minimum size requirement is a very objective thing. They should give you an explanation. I have heard people resending cards several times so maybe you want to spin the wheel again...however I think PSA is pretty consistent these days so was surprised to see that if your story is true.

at least they should take your previous grades from the POP I always felt POP was more real in the 8s and above category in cards from the 50s but maybe there are more ghost 7s than I realized..

[GasHouseGang]

The main question I had was did you submit the PSA cards still in the graded holders? I wouldn't expect PSA to take cards they had previously graded, remove them from the holder, and then declare they weren't able to grade them. Is that what happened, or were they submitted raw?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

The main question I had was did you submit the PSA cards still in the graded holders? I wouldn't expect PSA to take cards they had previously graded, remove them from the holder, and then declare they weren't able to grade them. Is that what happened, or were they submitted raw?

he said he cracked them out...

[bnorth]

Best bet is to submit the cards again and see what happens. From what I understand you will not get the grading fees refunded because they did grade them.

Please let us know if the cards actually are small and if you are going to resubmit them and the results if you do.

I know the PSA people hate to hear this but a friend and a fellow board member sent in 2 counterfeit cards on separate orders and both came back as 9's. I acquired 2 of the same counterfeit cards that where also both cut slightly smaller than a real card. I sent both in with a group submission and both came back as 8's.

Sooner or later people will have to figure out what a horrible service they provide.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Best bet is to submit the cards again and see what happens. From what I understand you will not get the grading fees refunded because they did grade them.

Please let us know if the cards actually are small and if you are going to resubmit them and the results if you do.

I know the PSA people hate to hear this but a friend and a fellow board member sent in 2 counterfeit cards on separate orders and both came back as 9's. I acquired 2 of the same counterfeit cards that where also both cut slightly smaller than a real card. I sent both in with a group submission and both came back as 8's.

Sooner or later people will have to figure out what a horrible service they provide.

what cards were the counterfeits?

[MattyC]

If you submit them again, some or all will get in holders. If you submit the ones that remained yet a third time, another one or two will get in holders, and so on. It is just the nature of the game. There is far more subjectivity at play than we at the collector end would like to think. I and many guys I know over the years have had many, many cards take several tries-- but eventually the card wound up in the desired holder or close to it. Hope that helps allay any anxiety regarding your initial results. I recall how I felt the first time that happened to me-- but the cards eventually graded out fine.

[Rookiemonster]

Maybe you cracked them open and did a little work on them and PSA noticed .

[mybestbretts]

I have received back a lot of those Minsizero. If I knew why I would tell you. I have measured and they must be off by so little. I sent in 10 Ripken Fleer rookies that came from the same case and 8 graded and 2 came back with the Minsizero. I have received back altered and the best one was one marked "trimmed "and I called them and asked how a hand cut card could be trimmed .... they said send it back .... it got graded.
This is just my personal opinion, but when I have sent in old cards, I really am more interested in getting them slabbed to protect them then I am the grade.
So I would rather, in that case, to have the option of having it slabbed with the "altered", miscut, etc. It really irritates me to get them back, after all not that many of 40's to 50's or older cards were made with PSA in mind. IMHO.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Best bet is to submit the cards again and see what happens. From what I understand you will not get the grading fees refunded because they did grade them.

Please let us know if the cards actually are small and if you are going to resubmit them and the results if you do.

I know the PSA people hate to hear this but a friend and a fellow board member sent in 2 counterfeit cards on separate orders and both came back as 9's. I acquired 2 of the same counterfeit cards that where also both cut slightly smaller than a real card. I sent both in with a group submission and both came back as 8's.

Sooner or later people will have to figure out what a horrible service they provide.

i would like to see these cards as well....

[glynparson]

By credit card it simply was not charged for the minimum size cards. They used to issue vouchers they now just don't charge the card for minimum size, miscue,and do not grade issues. For checks or money order I don't know about the vouchers as I always just give them plastic makes it easier.