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Old 11-08-2015, 10:25 AM
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And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:39 AM
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And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?
writing without ellipses doesn't make what you say any better as well...

so if its not shilling its card doctoring? so no sales are legit basically
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:44 AM
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writing without ellipses doesn't make what you say any better as well...
I think most people on the board would disagree. Just received this PM: "I can't believe you're engaging this idiot."
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:48 AM
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I think most people on the board would disagree. Just received this PM: "I can't believe you're engaging this idiot."
so most people think every sale of a card on PWCC is shilled or for a card doctor...and you posting a pm calling me a name..because name calling really helps to prove an intelligent point..nice
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:51 AM
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Actually I didn't call you a name. Just quoting what someone else said. Actually three people now.
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:01 AM
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Actually I didn't call you a name. Just quoting what someone else said. Actually three people now.
right quoting someone calling a name isn't the same thing...someone just called you an idiot..but hey that wasn't me...... as long as im not the one saying it i am free to post every insult someone calls you? I actually refrain from name calling even if its not me saying it...to me name calling whether from you or someone you are just quoting doesn't tend to make your argument stronger......to me its still name calling if i am quoting someone else which appears to be validating them and i don't think it helps to prove any points...

you also didn't address this post

so most people think every sale of a card on PWCC is shilled or for a card doctor...

so i guess you agree with that statement....
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:04 AM
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Joe that's my favorite green Cobby in the hobby. Every time you post it is a good day!!
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Maybe I should put this one up for sale

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cant do it with PWCC because you will shill your own card or only card doctors will buy it apparently
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WOw Joe, now thats a nice Cobby. Huge top & bottom borders...having a Kardashian moment here.
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And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?
What's a card doctor???
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Old 11-08-2015, 02:49 PM
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St Louis' team physician?

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Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:11 PM
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The current second place bidder only has bid activity with PWCC on 19 different items over the past 6 months. Just saying.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:15 PM
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Also just noticed the Plank offered by PWCC has several of the top bidders with 80%+ bid history only with this seller. Hmmm. To me that seems strange. Just saying.
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Why would someone shill a card waaaaay above a record price?

Hypothetical -- A card is worth/valued at $6,000. It gets sent to an auction where it is shilled to the stratosphere. The "auction" ends with a "record" sales price that goes into the VCP.

Six months to a year later, the same card goes to a large but different auction house. Some of the bidders with that auction house don't know the card has a "history" and only look at the VCP reports. They bid on and win the card for $10,000 which they think they got for a bargain since it last sold for $14,000.

So now, because of the shill bids to the stratosphere, a $6,000 card becomes a $10,000 dollar card and the new buyer has no clue they have been cheated.

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Old 11-08-2015, 06:00 PM
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The current second place bidder only has bid activity with PWCC on 19 different items over the past 6 months. Just saying.
Agreed....I would think other sellers besides PWCC has nice stuff as well. I know, speaking for myself, I have nice cards every once in awhile!
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Old 11-08-2015, 06:33 PM
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The top bidders only having bids with PWCC is strange.

Bid retractions are strange.

14 years on my current account (over 3k feedback and have left over 4k) and my prior acct was from the Wild West days starting in 97'. Never retracted a bid and never stiffed a seller.

I was ripped off several times in the money order days, but never for too much. Never bought a big ticket item till paypal.

I have 23 different sellers in 30 days on my history snippet. That seems a little more normal.

I bought a lot from PWCC today, and have in the past. I almost grabbed the Delong Gehrig as well...till my son asked me to cut a check for drivers training yesterday, lol.

I'll buy from them again, but yes I admit these things certainly bother me.

Another sales pitch for sniping software. It does not solve the problem, but it helps a 1000% more than letting someone peck away at a max bid for a week and then withdrawing their bid the moment they find it.
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Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.
id be interested in a centered 4..
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Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.
Bob- You're thinking is correct. If you look at what this card has done in the last five years on SMR, it would amaze you. Obviously, 51 Bowman, 52 Topps, and 53 Topps Mantle cards as well, but that's another story. All T206 Cobbs, you can't go wrong in my opinion....
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Total SHILL marketplace.......check out the bidder percentages and see for yourself.
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card ended at almost $16k....Does anybody need a PSA 8 with a qualifier?
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Total SHILL marketplace.......check out the bidder percentages and see for yourself.

I hear this a lot on both forums, but IMO, not much relevance for shilling by looking at % of bids. I also have a very high percent with PWCC, but that's because they have the cards I want, and I can snipe, and I don't have to stay up until 3:00 AM while an auction closes three different times.
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As was said in a remake of the song, "What the World Needs Now" in the '70's,

"I think it's when somebody's sick."

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