PWCC green cobb psa 5.5 going through the roof

[calvindog]

They have the cards you want? Yeah, they have such an eclectic selection of cards found nowhere else on eBay, I can understand how you could mainly bid on their auctions; tough to find a PSA 5 1953 Topps Mantle any place else. As for transparency, Brent comes onto Net 54, gets caught in lies, leaves. His auctions are filled with fraud. Very transparent. Transparency really helps.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

They have the cards you want? Yeah, they have such an eclectic selection of cards found nowhere else on eBay, I can understand how you could mainly bid on their auctions; tough to find a PSA 5 1953 Topps Mantle any place else. As for transparency, Brent comes onto Net 54, gets caught in lies, leaves. His auctions are filled with fraud. Very transparent. Transparency really helps.

well you can find many of the same graded cards on ebay with BIN's that 90% of the time are for sale and/or the seller wants more than what they would sell for at a PWCC auction..so yeah you can buy away with BINs and avoid being shilled up to amount less than you will pay with BIN

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well you can find many of the same graded cards on ebay with BIN's that 90% of the time are for sale and/or the seller wants more than what they would sell for at a PWCC auction..so yeah you can buy away with BINs and avoid being shilled up to amount less than you will pay with BIN

There are also several other sellers that run .99 cent auctions that DO NOT get the PWCC run-up. I know that for a fact - I am one of them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

There are also several other sellers that run .99 cent auctions that DO NOT get the PWCC run-up. I know that for a fact - I am one of them.

right but you don't sell psa 5.5 green cobbs and psa 7 Aarons 4 or 5 times a year for example..you do see them on BIN, at least the Aarons from time to time..usually asking for more than the final hammer on a PWCC auction... Plus you do consign to PWCC your pricier cards so not sure why are talking down PWCC when you use them yourself like those T206 HOFs you couldn't sell on net54 ..

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right but you don't sell psa 5.5 green cobbs and psa 7 Aarons 4 or 5 times a year for example..you do see them on BIN, at least the Aarons from time to time..usually asking for more than the final hammer on a PWCC auction... Plus you do consign to PWCC your pricier cards so not sure why are talking down PWCC when you use them yourself like those T206 HOFs you couldn't sell on net54 ..

I'm not talking them down. I like Brent. I think he runs a top notch organization. People are stating facts though. Some of the auction results seem a little odd. Is it a crime to speak the truth? State facts?

[bobbyw8469]

PS - the only reason I consigned the Cy Young to him was to prove to you that I could get more on Ebay than what your lowball offer was. So, YOU were the only reason I sent it to him.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

ps - the only reason i consigned the cy young to him was to prove to you that i could get more on ebay than what your lowball offer was. So, you were the only reason i sent it to him.

LOLOLOL

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I'm not talking them down. I like Brent. I think he runs a top notch organization. People are stating facts though. Some of the auction results seem a little odd. Is it a crime to speak the truth? State facts?

Facts are real bastards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

PS - the only reason I consigned the Cy Young to him was to prove to you that I could get more on Ebay than what your lowball offer was. So, YOU were the only reason I sent it to him.

Its Christys, not Cy Young...I have no idea what Cy Young you are talking about..


.i do remember you netting less than you were asking for them on net54 (and to me )when all said and done actually..so you were highballing the cards .....if you want to talk facts..


It looks like I was wrong as far as not making an offer on one of the cards , I did offer 400 + paypal fees on the Christy Mathewson portrait but I said to send it to PWCC and I would offer more because of ebay bucks and incentives I didn't get with a direct deal..i don't think that's a 'lowball offer when I am within 10% of the net price to the seller after fees on a card going for 500 or less....if it is then I guess you call it highballing if the seller wants 10% more direct than what the seller nets at auction...or on the other card he had for sale in which he wanted 20% more than what he got on the card in net after the auction.



Part of the disagreement in price was that bobby said that SGC grades command a premium over PSA in prewar !

"I usually like PSA prices. For T206's though, SGC is king. They usually command higher prices"

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

PS - the only reason I consigned the Cy Young to him was to prove to you that I could get more on Ebay than what your lowball offer was. So, YOU were the only reason I sent it to him.

First we are talking about Christy's not Cy Young...not sure what you are talking about for the young.

haha and the fact you tried to sell them for weeks and weeks on net54 and kept saying would send them to auction ..and I kept asking you to make good on sending them to auction......so maybe I was the reason finally sent them to auction because was turning into a red lennox cobb..week after week....thank you for finally sending them....though you did get less net than you asked on net54, . and you do agree they were not shilled....



this is how all the cards you said did with PWCC including the mathewsons...funny no comments about saying got a ton on those cards or saying I made a low offer or anything....just this..

"Some of my stuff did OK...got killed on a couple....I think I can do just as good as he on minor stuff....still will use him for sets and Canadian cards (since I don't wish to ship international)"



I found the thread-- he said he was sending to consignment and 2 weeks later he still there with ttts.....he says had them priced at VCP so I guess everyone was lowballing him..... yeah IM the reason he consigned them.. lol..

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=197853

after price reductions..he asked 800 for the black hat and got less at auction 740 minus 13.5% in fees ($640)

http://www.pwccauctions.com/item.php?item_no=1064344

and for the portrait after price reductions he asked for 500 and got 510 minus 13.5% in fees ($442)

Looks like PWCC wasn't shilled there even though I assume many bidders there have 70% with PWCC but I didn't check..

[bobbyw8469]

tough to find a PSA 5 1953 Topps Mantle any place else.

LOL....How about the rare 1968 Roberto Clemente PSA 4? Yea - I never got that either. There are many sellers on Ebay with good cards. Yet don't seem to get the run-up that PWCC does. Not that I'm knocking it. I'm actually rather envious.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

LOL....How about the rare 1968 Roberto Clemente PSA 4? Yea - I never got that either. There are many sellers on Ebay with good cards. Yet don't seem to get the run-up that PWCC does. Not that I'm knocking it. I'm actually rather envious.

Everyone was envious of Mastro too. And many on Net 54 defended them from the pre-investigation stage, through indictment and sentencing. How else do you think fraudsters can be so successful ripping people off so blatantly in this hobby? It's not because the average collector is highly intelligent.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Everyone was envious of Mastro too. And many on Net 54 defended them from the pre-investigation stage, through indictment and sentencing. How else do you think fraudsters can be so successful ripping people off so blatantly in this hobby? It's not because the average collector is highly intelligent.

Everyone was envious of Madoff too. From what I recall there wasn't as much defending of Mastro and gang as there was a call to allow justice to work. That is the same as you defending the people you do. No different.

PS.....I am not defending some bidders and their issues in the current auctions being talked about.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Everyone was envious of Madoff too. From what I recall there wasn't as much defending of Mastro and gang as there was a call to allow justice to work. That is the same as you defending the people you do. No different.

It couldn't be more different, actually, again. My motives in defending people are based on the oath I take to assist people in asserting their constitutional rights. People defended Mastro for many other reasons.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It couldn't be more different, actually, again. My motives in defending people are based on the oath I take to assist people in asserting their constitutional rights. People defended Mastro for many other reasons.

In other words you defend criminals who do bad things in our hobby. I get it, actually we all get it.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Again, you skirt my comment. But you can continue saying people defended Mastro all you want to, it won't change what the reality was.

Reality, not revisionist history:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t=81430&page=2

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=mastro

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=208076

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It couldn't be more different, actually, again. My motives in defending people are based on the oath I take to assist people in asserting their constitutional rights. People defended Mastro for many other reasons.

And here I thought you only done it for the large amounts of cash they pay you.

With Mastro he seemed to have 2 types of friends. The ones he completely screwed over and the ones that got the spoils from his costumers that he screwed over. From reading all the threads on here about the huge scam he run for many years there where both those types of friends on this forum and unfortunately a few customers.