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I don't see how anyone can honestly say that Jeter was a regional superstar. He was the face of baseball. The Yankees were a dynasty and he was the captain of that dynasty. Everyone knew his name and he was the center of attention any time he was around.

[JustinD]

Jeter will be a first ballot HOF, but outside of Yanks fans and the ladies, I think many reasonable people say the numbers don't lie. He's definitely put on a higher pedestal than he would have aquired with the same stats but the looks of Gorman Thomas and playing on the Marlins.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Jeter will be a first ballot HOF, but outside of Yanks fans and the ladies, I think many reasonable people say the numbers don't lie. He's definitely put on a higher pedestal than he would have aquired with the same stats but the looks of Gorman Thomas and playing on the Marlins.

The numbers don't lie? Jeter is sixth all-time in hits and played on five World Series champions. The only guys ahead of him on the all-time hit list are Rose, Cobb, Aaron, Musial and Speaker.

[bn2cardz]

Nobody has said he wasn't worthy of the HOF, but his fame has been impacted by the team he was on.

His 6th on the hit list was due to his amount of AB he got. He is 7th on the AB career list. His WAR still falls short of being the best SS of all time. Yet his card prices are higher than any other player of the 90s/2000s. 29 players were on 5 WS teams only 5 (Mariano and Jeter will make it 7) are HOF members so that is far from a metric used to determine greatness of a player.

The numbers that speak for themselves are his WAR and JAWS.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

The numbers that speak for themselves are his WAR and JAWS.

I am not anti-SABR stats; they have their place and are interesting to look inside the numbers. But the eyes of a significant portion of the population are still going to glaze over when you begin touting WAR and JAWS. What percentage of fans do you think can accurately explain what JAWS is or what it measures?

One gigantic weakness with JAWS is that it makes no attempt to account for postseason play, awards won, leagues led in important categories, and career milestones. Those accomplishments that are better handled via the Bill James Hall of Fame Standards and Hall of Fame Monitor metrics.

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I got inspired by this thread last night and picked up an Ichiro:

[Rookiemonster]

Awesome pick up Packs!!!