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12-04-2015, 07:46 AM
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12-06-2015, 02:30 PM
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Okay, I have finally sorted through my entire lot and have quite a few new additions to the list. I can confirm the following additions:
Type 1: Mays Type 2: Barber Burns (Cincinnati) Bush Cutshaw Dykes (batting) Chick Fewster Wilson Fewster Heilman Hubbell W. Johnson Kerr Kopf Bob Meusel Olson Type 2 Reversed: Burns (Cincinnati) Coveleskie Cunningham Chick Fewster Griffith Byron Harris Heilman Kelly Liebold Milan Neale Oeschger O'Farrell Rapp Scott Sewell Shannon Stock (batting) Wambsgauss Witt Subjects with all three backs: Chick Fewster Heilman
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12-07-2015, 12:59 AM
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Thanks
Thanks Marc for all the great updates to the back lists. I love the fact that with the Mays we now know the Type 1 backs are available for every card in the set. It also is looking more likely that the 2 Reversed backs might, with more input and observation, also span the entire set. I will update the lists in a day or two, and feel free to chime in.
Brian
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12-07-2015, 10:27 AM
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I wonder if maybe all of the backs are available across the full run but perhaps the regular Type 2 backs were short printed as they certainly appear to be the least common of the three variations. My thought is that there may have been three full printings of the set, one with each of the backs, but the Type 2 and Type 2 reversed were possibly done later and in smaller quantities. The only thing that makes me question that is the inclusion of the few players with two different poses. It would seem odd that they would have two cards of some of the players, all of whom are pretty non-descript. However, both Kilduff poses are found with the Type 2, both Snyders with the Type 2, and both Stocks with the Type 2 reversed, so obviously those were printed in the same run.
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12-07-2015, 02:20 PM
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Updation
Thanks to Marc's input, not only have all 120 cards been verified to have the Type 1 back, but we have been able to add substantially to the verified Type 2 and Type 2 reversed listings. I have updated the listings below.
Brian Type 1 backs have been verified for all 120 cards. 'Regular' Type 2 backs verified (46 currently): G.C. Alexander Turner Barber George Burns (Cincinnati) Joe Bush Wilbur Cooper Wm. Cunningham George Cutshaw Jimmy Dykes (batting) "Red" Faber Chick Fewster Wilson Fewster Walter Gerber Hank Gowdy Charles Grimm Sam Harris Harry Heilman Chas. Hollocher Wilbert Hubbell Walter Johnson Jimmy Johnston Dick Kerr Pete Kilduff (bending) Pete Kilduff (leaping) Larry Kopf Walter "Buster" Mails Walter "Rabbit" Maranville Bob Meusel Ivan Olson Steve O'Neill Geo. Paskert Roger Peckinpaugh V.J. Picinich Wally Pipp Jimmy Ring Raymond Schmandt Everett Scott Maurice Shannon Bob Shawkey Urban Shocker John Smith Frank Snyder (crouching) Frank Snyder (standing) James Vaughan Robert Veach George Whitted (batting) Arthur Wilson Reversed Type 2 backs verified (88 currently): Babe Adams James Austin Franklin "Home Run" Baker Dave Bancroft George Burns (Cincinnati) George Burns (Cleveland) Joe Bush Leon Cadore Max Carey Eddie Collins John Collins S. Covaleskie Walton Cruise Wm. Cunningham George Cutshaw Jake Daubert Chas. A Deal Bill Doak Joe Dugan Jimmy Dykes (fielding) Chick Fewster Ira Flagstead Arthur Fletcher Frank Frisch Larry Gardner Walter Gerber Charles Glazner J.C. Graney Tommy Griffith Heinie Groh Byron Harris Sam Harris Harry Heilman Claude Hendrix Chas. Hollocher Harry Hooper Rogers Hornsby Waite Hoyt Wilbert Hubbell William Jacobsen Walter Johnson Geo. "Bingo" Kelly Larry Kopf Harry Leibold H.B. Leonard Walter "Buster" Mails Carl Mays Lee Meadows Emil Meusel J.C. Milan Earl Neale Robert Nehf Bernie Neis Joe Oeschger Robert O'Farrell Ivan Olson Ralph "Cy" Perkins Scott Perry Jeff Pfeffer Wally Pipp Derill Pratt Goldie Rapp Edgar Rice Eddie Rousch Babe Ruth Raymond Schmandt Everett Scott Joe Sewell Maurice Shannon Urban Shocker George Sisler Earl Smith John Smith Sherrod Smith Frank Snyder (crouching) Frank Snyder (standing) Vernon Spencer Chas. "Casey" Stengle Milton Stock (batting) Milton Stock (fielding) Wm. Wambsgauss Aaron Ward Zach Wheat George Whitted (fielding) Fred C. Williams Lawton Witt "Pep" Young Ross Young Subjects that have been seen with all three back types, which are any that are noted in both lists above...but to make it easier (22 total): George Burns (Cincinnati) Joe Bush Wm. Cunningham George Cutshaw Chick Fewster Walter Gerber Sam Harris Harry Heilman Chas. Hollocher Wilbert Hubbell Walter Johnson Larry Kopf Walter "Buster" Mails Ivan Olson Wally Pipp Raymond Schmandt Everett Scott Maurice Shannon Urban Shocker John Smith Frank Snyder (crouching) Frank Snyder (standing) Last edited by brianp-beme; 06-02-2016 at 01:21 PM. Reason: added 3 total to original Type 2 list, and 5 total to Type 2 Reversed list
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12-09-2015, 02:58 PM
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Great info Brian et al..... Thanks for sharing on a fairly common but still obscure issue.
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02-02-2019, 01:36 PM
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Looking at the E220 thread that Rhett provided a link for and the listings of players that have been verified in each of the 3 different back styles shown, it appears that Rhett's theory that the E220 set is likely a 1922 issue is accurate, as one of the cards that he references as started in 1922 with the team identified on his card (George Burns - Cincinnati) is seen with all three back types.
For example it is possible that the Type 1 back, which all 120 cards have been identified as existing, was partially issued in 1921 and then in 1922 (which might account for the multiple poses seen in the set of some players, like Pete Kilduff bending and Pete Kilduff leaping, etc.). I think 1923 is not a likely date, but with the handful of cards that Rhett identified as having ended their careers in 1920 with the team identified on their cards, that we can't rule out a multi-year issue of this set (1921 +1922). Brian
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