Is Dahlen a lock ????? VS others at position why not ??

[tazdmb]

Here is a quote from Blyleven on the research he did:

"You do as much research as you can," Blyleven said. "I know all the research I did on Wikipedia.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_...tes-just-didnt

This is the biggest issue, IMHO

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Here is a quote from Blyleven on the research he did:

"You do as much research as you can," Blyleven said. "I know all the research I did on Wikipedia.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_...tes-just-didnt

This is the biggest issue, IMHO

This goes beyond wiki. Not all 10 were 1qualified. Not a chance Marty Marion is anywhere near as qualified as Dahlen.

[packs]

Even if you only used Wiki, how do you not vote for a guy like Stovey or Dahlen? Their pages quite literally tell you they are amongst the greatest players not in the HOF.

[Topps206]

We don't know who Blyleven voted for. It's the eight who didn't vote these players that need questioning.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by packs

Even if you only used Wiki, how do you not vote for a guy like Stovey or Dahlen? Their pages quite literally tell you they are amongst the greatest players not in the HOF.

DITTO

Back in the early 1990's, I was hoarding Dahlen's cards, for I thought for sure he would have been inducted back then by the Veteran's Committee (such as Vic Willis was in 1995).



I'll mention another candidate that may stir up some controversy here......Gil Hodges. You can check out all Gil's stats and stories in BB Ref. or Wiki; however, I saw him play from
1949 to 1963. Trust me, if you had seen Gil play, you too would wonder why he's not in the HOF.

During the decade of the 1950's, Gil lead all MLB 1st basemen in Hits, HR's RBI's, AB's, and extra-base hits. Gil was one of the finest fielding 1st basemen's in the '50s, which won
him the Golden Gloves the first 3 years they were awarded (1957-59).


TED Z
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[Topps206]

I'm unimpressed by the low OPS+ for Hodges at his position and at Ebbets.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I'm unimpressed by the low OPS+ for Hodges at his position and at Ebbets.

Did you see him play the game ?

I doubt it !

For if you had, you wouldn't make such a negative remark.....when there are a great number of significant stats in Gil's career.


TED Z
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[vthobby]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Did you see him play the game ?

I doubt it !

For if you had, you wouldn't make such a negative remark.....when there are a great number of significant stats in Gil's career.


TED Z
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Ted,
I agree 100%. Sometimes I wonder if I should not have been born in the 1940s for the sole purpose of visiting Ebbetts Field and seeing the great Dodgers play.
Hodges is a no brainer for those of us who love baseball and root for a player who is beloved by other players but for the powers that be they just don't get it.
Hodges was also an incredible gentleman and a very humble player.
The direct opposite of Dahlen I might add!

Peace, Mike

PS I'm jealous Ted that you have seen Mr. Hodges up close and personal!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I'm unimpressed by the low OPS+ for Hodges at his position and at Ebbets.

OPS+ is supposed to be adjusted for the park. I don't see how an OPS + of 120 and a fielding percentage of .992 is bad, but an OPS + of 110 and a fielding percentage of .927 is a lock for the hof. I think that Hodges is more deserving than Dahlen when you consider character and managing. Hodges not only took a laughing stock Mets franchise to world champions, he made the expansion Senators respectable.

[darwinbulldog]

Someday, Man. Someday. Then the late Mr. Sawyer and I will share a bottle of champagne.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by rats60

OPS+ is supposed to be adjusted for the park. I don't see how an OPS + of 120 and a fielding percentage of .992 is bad, but an OPS + of 110 and a fielding percentage of .927 is a lock for the hof. I think that Hodges is more deserving than Dahlen when you consider character and managing. Hodges not only took a laughing stock Mets franchise to world champions, he made the expansion Senators respectable.

It's position adjustment. Dahlen a shortstop, Hodges a first baseman. Ebbets was a small park. Dahlen was a star in the Deadball Era.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by rats60

OPS+ is supposed to be adjusted for the park. I don't see how an OPS + of 120 and a fielding percentage of .992 is bad, but an OPS + of 110 and a fielding percentage of .927 is a lock for the hof. I think that Hodges is more deserving than Dahlen when you consider character and managing. Hodges not only took a laughing stock Mets franchise to world champions, he made the expansion Senators respectable.

Hey guy

You presented a very logical argument here for the Hodges vs Dahlen comparison with respect to their OPS+ and Fielding %.

However, it has become apparent that "Topps206" doesn't do logic. For whatever reasons....he has some emotional "hang-ups" regarding Hodges.


Dougscats

Great story....well said of Gil Hodges. Perhaps someday in the not so far off future, Gil will be in the HOF.


TED Z
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[GregMitch34]

I love that very marginal HOFers Blyleven and Niekro passing judgment on others they haven't even seen play. Too bad Drysdale is gone, he could have joined them.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I love that very marginal HOFers Blyleven and Niekro passing judgment on others they haven't even seen play. Too bad Drysdale is gone, he could have joined them.

IMO neither of those are HOF player especially Blyleven.

[Topps206]

I think Blyleven belongs, but who is he to hold anyone back after he waited more than a decade?