These NL late inning 'no-hitters' are annoying

[the 'stache]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. He's convinced he's right, and nothing is going to convince him otherwise.

"There have been more no hitters in the NL the last few years...pitchers hit in the NL....therefore, the lack of a designated hitter in the NL is responsible for the increase in no hitters!"

That is about as specious as logic gets. Never mind that between 2010 and 2012, in nine of the sixteen no hitters, it was an American League team being blanked. And the same DH configuration was in place then.

It couldn't be that the pitchers that have been throwing the no hitters in the NL are the best pitchers in the game, could it? Of the thirteen no hitters thrown since the start of the 2014 season, five have been thrown in the NL by recent Cy Young Award winners: Clayton Kershaw (one), Max Scherzer (two), Jake Arrieta (two). Four of the last seven have been by Scherzer and Arrieta. Since the start of 2014, seven of the top ten pitchers in baseball by ERA + (50 minimum starts) have been in the National League: Kershaw, Arrieta, Greinke, de Grom, Cueto, Harvey and Scherzer (Scherzer was in Detroit in '14, but has been in Washington since).

Originally Posted by packs

What other answer do you expect? The AL is a superior hitting league in general. It's not the DH that makes the difference. The entire team is better in the box because the AL game is geared towards high scoring games whereas the NL game is geared toward small ball. It's not just the pitcher who bunts in the NL. Everyone is counted on for a bunt. Hardly anyone bunts in the AL. It's a different game but it's not one guy who makes the difference.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. He's convinced he's right, and nothing is going to convince him otherwise.

"There have been more no hitters in the NL the last few years...pitchers hit in the NL....therefore, the lack of a designated hitter in the NL is responsible for the increase in no hitters!"

That is about as specious as logic gets. Never mind that between 2010 and 2012, in nine of the sixteen no hitters, it was an American League team being blanked. And the same DH configuration was in place then.

It couldn't be that the pitchers that have been throwing the no hitters in the NL are the best pitchers in the game, could it? Of the thirteen no hitters thrown since the start of the 2014 season, five have been thrown in the NL by recent Cy Young Award winners: Clayton Kershaw (one), Max Scherzer (two), Jake Arrieta (two). Four of the last seven have been by Scherzer and Arrieta. Since the start of 2014, seven of the top ten pitchers in baseball by ERA + (50 minimum starts) have been in the National League: Kershaw, Arrieta, Greinke, de Grom, Cueto, Harvey and Scherzer (Scherzer was in Detroit in '14, but has been in Washington since).

And the other poster says that there would be concerns that these NL guys wouldnt be as good in the AL.......ERA as a whole still means nothing..

even the chris heston's of the world have a great start or two in a year.....its on these one or two starts in which the pitcher hitting makes a big difference..and evidently the lineups are much better in the AL according to others in this thread

17 of the last 20 no hitters have been in the national league..... Arreta and Scherzer and Cueto, Grenike were in the AL at one time......why arent the AL cy young winners getting no hitters at the same rate as the NL counterparts...

the fact you really cant compare AL era to NL era (7 out of 10 era leaders in NL you stated ) because NL era is going to be lower shows again its easier to obtain runs in the AL.....

the other poster clearly doesnt think NL pitching translates to the AL..... Heston didnt win a cy young... ross stripling and adam conley with their 'almost no hitter' and the reason for this thread arent cy young worthy....thats my point...all of these almost no hitters in the NL is annoying.....AL no hitters is a whole different animal ..

[packs]

You aren't taking into account who is being no hit. When David Cone threw his perfect game it was against the Expos, who were in the NL. This is just an example. If an NL pitcher throws a no hitter against an AL team, or vice-versa, I don't know what your premise means in terms of an AL no hitter being worth more.

[the 'stache]

Oh, brother.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Oh, brother.

i guess you are the horse being pulled? in any event always fun to talk baseball...i can be wrong or right who knows...but its not like no one shares my opinion..

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i guess you are the horse being pulled? in any event always fun to talk baseball...i can be wrong or right who knows...but its not like no one shares my opinion..

from what i have read, you are pretty much wrong in every hot take you have. not sure how you can even afford to buy cards, but i guess wealth doesn't correlate with intelligence.

strikeouts are at an all time high, i would suspect that adds to the uptick in no-nos. if you can make contact there's a chance it'll find a hole. as for TJ pitchers are throwing harder than ever, and kids are throwing younger and year-round. i'm also pretty certain in the 30's and 40's alot of pitchers blew out their arms and needed TJ, but they just didn't know what it was at the time.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

from what i have read, you are pretty much wrong in every hot take you have. not sure how you can even afford to buy cards, but i guess wealth doesn't correlate with intelligence.

strikeouts are at an all time high, i would suspect that adds to the uptick in no-nos. if you can make contact there's a chance it'll find a hole. as for TJ pitchers are throwing harder than ever, and kids are throwing younger and year-round. i'm also pretty certain in the 30's and 40's alot of pitchers blew out their arms and needed TJ, but they just didn't know what it was at the time.

First of all, dont you have something better to do than to attack my intelligence on a thread where the last post was months ago until someone posted yesterday about that no hitters in general are arbitrary...so with that one post, you took it upon yourself to make a stupid comment......maybe you can wait a year next time to make a witty comeback on a thread.... who are you george constanza?

I didnt realize there was a right or wrong about whether an NL no hitter is much easier than an AL no hitter....... i thought there as a debate on the issue either way..and the large majority of the last 20 no hitters were NL or NL parks..there are many people that agree with my side on many things i have stated...you need to READ before you make self serving judgment..

plus your comment about how there is less contact, TJ surgery etc..would apply to both NL and AL...yet there are more almost NL no-nos and NL no nos in recent history than AL, which was my point.

what a witty post you had......thanks for the valuable contribution...

and you sound real intelligent when you attack a poster on their intelligence....thats real classy...

people can agree or disagree on things..but to say someone is an idiot really shows what kind of person you are when all it was supposed to be was a fun debate

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You aren't taking into account who is being no hit. When David Cone threw his perfect game it was against the Expos, who were in the NL. This is just an example. If an NL pitcher throws a no hitter against an AL team, or vice-versa, I don't know what your premise means in terms of an AL no hitter being worth more.

i would count that Cone game as an NL game since its in an NL park with no DH....so yeah i do account for it..

[howard38]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i would count that Cone game as an NL game since its in an NL park with no DH....so yeah i do account for it..

The game was in New York and Wilton Guerrero was the Montreal DH.

[packs]

David Cone's perfect game was at Yankee Stadium. I was there.

[bravos4evr]

The "no hitter" is such an arbitrary, generally useless, designation anyway. Perfect game? Now that means something, but going 9 giving up no hits but walking 4+ is not a better pitching performance than a complete game shutout with 1 or 2 hits allowed and no walks. (etc etc....)

It's an old fashioned designation that probably needs to go the way of the dodo, (but never will)