nearly untouchable records...which will be the first to fall?

[clydepepper]

Ryan also had a record-tying (Feller) 12 one-hitters , Dave Stieb could have had multiple perfect games and if a frog had a tail, he wouldn't hit his butt every time he landed.

Originally Posted by the 'stache

My pick would be single season saves. 62 seems high, but I could see that being broken.

As for Ryan's seven no hitters, there are guys pitching right now that have been really close to a lot of no hitters. Clayton Kershaw, for example, has had some terrible luck. He's only had one no hitter, he's had five other starts of at least seven innings where he allowed only one hit. He's just a ridiculously good pitcher--a 2.09 ERA over the past six seasons. The thing working against him, and other modern pitchers, is the modern game, itself. With the high rate of arm injuries, pitchers aren't allowed to get complete games, even when they're dominating. Teams are too worried about pitch counts now. But Kershaw has the stuff, and the command, where I predict he gets at least two more no hitters before his career is done. Since the start of the 2015 season, he's struck out 13 or more seven times--in 41 starts!

The frightening thing about Kershaw is that he's getting better.

[clydepepper]

I'm in awe again when I think about that stat I just quoted. Seven No-Hitters and 12 one-hitters

That means, over his entire 27-year career, Ryan would pitch a complete game allowing no more than one hit just under every 41 games he started!!


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[packs]

I could see single season stolen bases being broken. If Billy Hamilton could hit he would have a shot at it. I think one day we will see another player who combines speed and average like Henderson did.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I could see single season stolen bases being broken. If Billy Hamilton could hit he would have a shot at it. I think one day we will see another player who combines speed and average like Henderson did.

Yeah it would take that plus freedom to run at will which Henderson had, but not entirely out of the question.

[mid50sbaseball]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Ryan also had a record-tying (Feller) 12 one-hitters , Dave Stieb could have had multiple perfect games and if a frog had a tail, he wouldn't hit his butt every time he landed.

I've somehow managed to go through 35 years on this earth and have never heard that...got a good laugh out of me, hahaha.

[scooter729]

In his opening press conference when he was hired as Red Sox manager about 15 years ago, Jimy Williams used that quote about a frog's booty (or some version thereof). The Boston media already thought Jimy was strange, but once he threw that out there, it was the beginning of the end for Jimy in Boston!

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by scooter729

In his opening press conference when he was hired as Red Sox manager about 15 years ago, Jimy Williams used that quote about a frog's booty (or some version thereof). The Boston media already thought Jimy was strange, but once he threw that out there, it was the beginning of the end for Jimy in Boston!

Well, I'm stayin'!



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[Touch'EmAll]

Over the years I have occasionally argued Ryan one of the greatest pitchers ever and have had quite a few people disagree. He has 1/3 of all the unbreakable pitching records mentioned in this threads initial post. Don't forget he still has Guiness Book Records - fastest pitch ever - ever in the entire history of baseball. My dad took me to that particular game he was clocked. They measured him at 10 feet from home plate - now they measure from 10 feet from the mound. The ball slows down an average of 8 mph from release to home plate.

added: Another record unbreakable - Ryan's career hits allowed per 9 inning game is lowest of any pitcher that ever played - nobody is going to break that record.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Over the years I have occasionally argued Ryan one of the greatest pitchers ever and have had quite a few people disagree. He has 1/3 of all the unbreakable pitching records mentioned in this threads initial post. Don't forget he still has Guiness Book Records - fastest pitch ever - ever in the entire history of baseball. My dad took me to that particular game he was clocked. They measured him at 10 feet from home plate - now they measure from 10 feet from the mound. The ball slows down an average of 8 mph from release to home plate.

added: Another record unbreakable - Ryan's career hits allowed per 9 inning game is lowest of any pitcher that ever played - nobody is going to break that record.

Bill James ranks him in the 20s. I would agree with that assessment, records notwithstanding. Look at the walks. Look at the JAWS metric which ranks him 31st.

[packs]

I think Ryan will always be viewed as a thrower and not a pitcher. Numbers aside, you can't tell me he was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.